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the thing is when spearing was not given a chance,,people were voicing their concerns..some were of the opinion that talent a par he is not there yet but sure will do...
Now as hes been thrown in to starting 11 in such a situation ,so it comes out to be the fact that its his first start...doesnt that prove that he is still not there...
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yes mujtab, it prroves clearly that the coach is holding these youngsters back becasue they really arent ready, Lucas scored goals for us, has made assists too. He is by no means a great player, every appearance he has made he wasnt a disaster.
He has had very poor games this season, carragher and other have been bad too. You cant keep blaming Lucas for everything.
Spearing should go out on loan like the other boys did, lets see if he can make it, if he does make it we recall him, if he doesnt make it, then he could find his true level like Niel mellor, gonzalez, leto and several others.
Could be in few years time he will turn it around, for now he is too green. a good experience for him would be to join a lower level club like danny guthrie. See how guthrie and mellor have found their level of club. for sure
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absolute rubbish!! rush was dreadful in his first few games - but he needed those games to learn, to gain experience and to realise that he was good enough ...... the same with numerous youngsters throughout the years, they need games to find their feet
rafa holds them back because they aren't HIS youngsters, unlike lucas and insua for instance
but you two are obviously not in tune with what goes on in the youth system at the club, how players are coached or what players stand out as ones that need to be getting a game for the club
the likes of mellor, for instance, everyone knew was not good enough for the prem and he only ever got games as a stop gap ..... this is not the same for some of the youngsters we have now, the pachecos, nemeths and spearings for example ..... but they are getting held back by the crap that is getting in the first team and on the bench ahead of them - the voronins, babels and, yes, lucas!
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Insua was prepared to wait for his turn, that young argentinian had the courage to work in reserves and he didnt demand a starting role like stephen warnock, warnock wanted play more often. So he left and found his level at a club that suits his game, he didnt move for better he moved for worst.
Rafa holds them back cos they arent ready in my opinion, he isnt happy with their progress so he got rid of ablett, ablett was holding the youth back in my opinion. Lucas is better and more experienced that spearing, by no means am i sayng lucas is a star, but he is better than spearing for now. I think Parry was behind the employment of ablett
I think we might not be in tune with the youth, but the reality is we arent incharge of the youth, ablett was in charge and he wasnt producing the boys forward. So Rafa made some changes and now we got to see how soon after these changes the youth develop.
Im realy excited about Nathan Eccelston.
I get all the youth game on LFC TV, so i watch them, i know whats going on.
For now the best thing for nemeth is so start playing with older mature and stronger players in a open game, not restricted with youth. So he builds up confidence, makes his fair share of mistakes in hungary not on the anfield pitch.
What about Danny Guthrie then? He found his level of club, he didnt make it to Barca did he?
If you remeber that Marchedas goal fr united, i mean how many of our youth can do that?
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insua is a lot younger than warnock for one - so your point on the difference between the two is irrelevant and warnock is showing at villa that he was more than good enough to have started ahead of aurelio ....... in fact he was our best left midfield player at the time too and should have had no difficulty nailing down a first team place - if he had been a rafa signing like aurelio, i have no doubts he would have been a regular
ablett is an irrelevance - he was in charge of the reserves but not one i would have chosen personally as i have no time for the guy but your point is completely moot as he was not in the youth academy
lucas is in no way better than spearing - lucas is limited and is exactly the same type of player to mash, spearing is an all round midfielder who would complement mash ...... hard to see your argument and to claim watching the games on lfctv makes you an authority on youth footie is laughable at best!
nemeth is in greece not hungary and hardly a relevant point as he would have been better on our bench rather than having the pony tailed useless tw*t voronin wasting a spot ..... he would have gained confidence and experience better doing that than going out on loan to greece
as for guthrie i fail to see your point at all! he is a central midfielder whereas macheda is a striker - though guthrie has scored a scorcher this season ..... but how you can use guthrie as an example when he was never in the same stand out level as spearing - he was always going to struggle to make it at liverpool ....... though i have to say i would prefer him playing than lucas!!
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rafa hasn't a clue ..he got rid of warnock cause he was english and not his player. warnock is head and shoulders above both of our left back and left wing positions and he would also walk straight into our centre midfield.
another was danny murhpy kicked out for no good reason, he is on a different planet to the waste of space lucas.
another is finnan,rafa tried his best to replace him also,josemi and arbeloa were brought in to get finnan out ,luckily finnan's form showed him to be irremovable.
I cant say with certainty he got rid or warnock becasue he is english, i can say rafa did try and by some english players, and he failed with others, im not sure where you get this from. Murphy walked, like owen, he said he wanted to be around a nucleaus of english players, i think a bit xenophobic. Im not sure of this about finnan, i did see finnan and stephen henchoz complain for not getting game all the time. Arbelo was a good player for this club, he was nobody when he came, and subsequently joined real madrid. Whereas Murphy went to a poorer team than liverpool. Josemi was a failure, he didnt settle down. Finan also joined a weaker team. many times when a player leaves LFC, they go for weaker teams, crouch,finnan,murphy etc. There are those world class players we have had that moved to big teams, in other words the players desevred big teams cos they had teh quality. Owen, Xabi etc
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insua is a lot younger than warnock for one - so your point on the difference between the two is irrelevant and warnock is showing at villa that he was more than good enough to have started ahead of aurelio ....... in fact he was our best left midfield player at the time too and should have had no difficulty nailing down a first team place - if he had been a rafa signing like aurelio, i have no doubts he would have been a regular
ablett is an irrelevance - he was in charge of the reserves but not one i would have chosen personally as i have no time for the guy but your point is completely moot as he was not in the youth academy
lucas is in no way better than spearing - lucas is limited and is exactly the same type of player to mash, spearing is an all round midfielder who would complement mash ...... hard to see your argument and to claim watching the games on lfctv makes you an authority on youth footie is laughable at best!
nemeth is in greece not hungary and hardly a relevant point as he would have been better on our bench rather than having the pony tailed useless tw*t voronin wasting a spot ..... he would have gained confidence and experience better doing that than going out on loan to greece
as for guthrie i fail to see your point at all! he is a central midfielder whereas macheda is a striker - though guthrie has scored a scorcher this season ..... but how you can use guthrie as an example when he was never in the same stand out level as spearing - he was always going to struggle to make it at liverpool ....... though i have to say i would prefer him playing than lucas!! CANT YOU SPEAK in a proper way and discuss things adequatly without rasing a defence of your point? are you insecure or what? Why do you always bring my knowledge of football into question? Wy do you envy me for speaking out against a local player? why cant you discuss with me using intellect and proof? are you a plumber or a blacksmith? Im refering to players who were in the academy and coudnt cut it, thats what im refering too, the positions have nothing to do with what i am dicussing. Take the two brazilin kids at united, can warnock compare to any of them? If these players in the youth are so great, why do they all go to weaker team and never come out? the last local palyer that we have seen worth the jersey is Gerrad and carra. Spearing is a kid and should be playing in a lower division. The fact that guthrie scored a great goal means absolutly nothing, voronin scored a great shot in pre season last season. Nile mellor scord a fantastic goal against arsenal today he playing in a lower division. I mean whatever i say you respong i a completely differnet manner and you disect everything and try and win a fight/argument, without even reading or trying to understand what i say. Im not a local, and i dont think spearing is ready, so you hate foreign fans cos they got MONEY MONEY MONEY, and they put your local player out of the team, so whatever i say regardaing a local youth player you will start your lowlife attacking and swearing and dismising without using any intellect! it is useless to continue discussing this topic with you becasue you are looking to win a arghument and you are trying to prove you are smart and you know more of the club than me and everyone else. So you can go on and do as you wish and i will again, Spearing aint ready and at the moment he aint good enough!
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anyone who still thinks lucas is decent or is ever going to be decent must be off their heads, he is not good enough for lfc and never will be. and we have so many crap players now igor biscan is starting to look like a club legend
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lol, lucas doesnt deserve the shirt. But he isnt the only one, and he isnt to blame for everything that goes wrong for sure.
Igor biscan was so pathetic, yuck. Diao, Kuvarme, diouf. lol
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insua is a lot younger than warnock for one - so your point on the difference between the two is irrelevant and warnock is showing at villa that he was more than good enough to have started ahead of aurelio ....... in fact he was our best left midfield player at the time too and should have had no difficulty nailing down a first team place - if he had been a rafa signing like aurelio, i have no doubts he would have been a regular
ablett is an irrelevance - he was in charge of the reserves but not one i would have chosen personally as i have no time for the guy but your point is completely moot as he was not in the youth academy
My 9 yeard old boy knows more about the club than you!
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lucas is in no way better than spearing - lucas is limited and is exactly the same type of player to mash, spearing is an all round midfielder who would complement mash ...... hard to see your argument and to claim watching the games on lfctv makes you an authority on youth footie is laughable at best!
nemeth is in greece not hungary and hardly a relevant point as he would have been better on our bench rather than having the pony tailed useless tw*t voronin wasting a spot ..... he would have gained confidence and experience better doing that than going out on loan to greece
as for guthrie i fail to see your point at all! he is a central midfielder whereas macheda is a striker - though guthrie has scored a scorcher this season ..... but how you can use guthrie as an example when he was never in the same stand out level as spearing - he was always going to struggle to make it at liverpool ....... though i have to say i would prefer him playing than lucas!! CANT YOU SPEAK in a proper way and discuss things adequatly without rasing a defence of your point? are you insecure or what? Why do you always bring my knowledge of football into question? Wy do you envy me for speaking out against a local player? why cant you discuss with me using intellect and proof? are you a plumber or a blacksmith? Im refering to players who were in the academy and coudnt cut it, thats what im refering too, the positions have nothing to do with what i am dicussing. Take the two brazilin kids at united, can warnock compare to any of them? If these players in the youth are so great, why do they all go to weaker team and never come out? the last local palyer that we have seen worth the jersey is Gerrad and carra. Spearing is a kid and should be playing in a lower division. The fact that guthrie scored a great goal means absolutly nothing, voronin scored a great shot in pre season last season. Nile mellor scord a fantastic goal against arsenal today he playing in a lower division. I mean whatever i say you respong i a completely differnet manner and you disect everything and try and win a fight/argument, without even reading or trying to understand what i say. Im not a local, and i dont think spearing is ready, so you hate foreign fans cos they got MONEY MONEY MONEY, and they put your local player out of the team, so whatever i say regardaing a local youth player you will start your lowlife attacking and swearing and dismising without using any intellect! it is useless to continue discussing this topic with you becasue you are looking to win a arghument and you are trying to prove you are smart and you know more of the club than me and everyone else. So you can go on and do as you wish and i will again, Spearing aint ready and at the moment he aint good enough!
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