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What I find difficult to understand and to be honest, it isn't really difficult at all. If you use common sense.

You are either racist, or your not. You can't be bit-part or give racism a percentage. "Oh you are 50% racist" You are either racist or you are not. You can't be a little bit racist, you can be racist or your not racist. It's that simple.

So this is the part I struggle with.

We all know (well we should) what racism is and when it is deemed racist. It can be said, with intent, conscience and passion that WILL offend the person or people of that skin color. Then again, those same words can be said, with no intent or hurt whatsoever. They are just words and it is all down to perception. For instance black people will use the n-word, themselves.

The FA have CHARGED and PUNISHED Luis Suarez on the basis, that he is racist, he used racist words and used intent. That is why there is a fine and a 8 game ban? Yes or No?

Well at least when being charged with something, the half that is giving the charge should be 100% sure and 100% believe in the charge.

In the statement provided, I don't read into or see a 100% commitment to the cause.

You CANNOT say, (the F.A.) you do not believe he is racist, Patrice Evra CANNOT come out and say AFTER the accusation's he has made, that he does not think Luis Suarez is a racist.

Surely that alone makes the whole accusation pointless.

Neither Patrice Evra or the F.A. believe 100% that what they have done, is what they fully 100% believe.

Look at the proof given.

Now the F.A. need to make their mind up and Liverpool FC have 100% the right to appeal WITH CONFIDENCE on this. 100%. Why is that?

IF (because we have not seen the footage) Luis Suarez used racist words, then he should be punished according to the intent. Now in the same statement it CATEGORICALLY says that, they and neither does Evra believe that Luis Suarez is a racist. BUT, he used a racist word(s).

Surely that is no different what so ever, to that video of Evra in french. Something a long the lines of "sucking teeth, (yes that N-word) and suck my d*ck Frank Lampard".

(In fact, I am so offended by that video and took exception, that I do not wish to watch it again to quote it exactly)

It really is all down to double standards and if you are going to CHARGE someone for something, make sure (even if it is wrong) you fully believe in it.

Luis Suarez cannot be racist....and not be a racist. It's one or the other.

....and that is why I fully believe, they are making a huge example of it. Even if it's the wrong specific time to do so. They don't care. Liverpool = Perfect opportunity.....and because it was Man United involved on the other end of the stick, it almost HAD TO be dealt with in the F.A's eyes.

Like I said it would be very interesting what John Barnes would make of it all, after all, he suffered racism PHYSICALLY (not just words) on the pitch. Regardless of it being from fans in the stands, it happened IN football, ON the pitch. Banana's were thrown at him.

.....and I don't believe a single thing was done about it either!

So what exactly is he?

Let's open this from the inside, because it seems that the F.A. and Evra are in waters and they can't even swim.

You charge him HEAVILY in something neither you (The F.A.) or Evra 100% believe in. Patrice Evra THINKS(note "thinks") Luis Suarez is not racist. How do you "think" that?

You either know, or you don't know. Think is your opinion. Therefore if you think, you don't actually know. Anybody with a pinch of intelligence should understand that. So Patrice Evra claims that Suarez racially abused him at least ten times on FRENCH television, then in a written statement (note; written) says he does not think he is racist.

You couldn't make it up could you!?!

Then the people handling the situation and dishing the charge, also ACCEPT that Luis Suarez was not racist.

Yet still ban him for 8 games. Note also the hearing and conclusion was delayed, it seems to me they're not sure about what they've done at all. I feel they accepted he wasn't racist last week, Evra said he doesn't THINK he is racist (therefore his accusation falls apart) took all of that into account, delayed it....and while the delay, decided that they can make an example and wrap it in loopholes to appear correct.

All of it stinks! It smells like a fishy fanny!

He should be on a roll of toilet paper!!

I'm not racist in any way shape or form and think its disgusting because we all have blood running through our veins and just because we were born a different color doesn't give anyone the right to discriminate. In saying that though, the ridiculous political correctness that goes on in all parts of the world drives me crazy. If your black your black and it should t be offensive to be called such and same is the case for people of any race or color. The world is becoming far too sensitive on these issues and does my head in!

But that's another chance for us to play at wembley!! Hehe

In all seriousness, LFC should fight this to the limit to get him off. It's obvious the word Negrito means something totally different in Uraguay and this is the context in which it should have been dealt with.
I'm disgusted with the decision and my disgust has nothin to do with it being against our best player! If it were the same decision against Vorinin (for example) when he was with us I would have been just as disgusted!!

We may be able to string this out until the end of the season with legal battles like taking the FA to court for something like not having this tariff in its rules or chasing the huge loophole in its own statements by them saying that Suarez is not a racist.

Had they alluded to him being a racist he could have taken them to the cleaners. They had all weekend to write this up and still made a balls up of it.

comes as no shock to me that the guy who chaired the investigation into suarez is from the same firm as the guy who got rooneys ban reduced (that surely says it all)

Brighton manager Gus Poyet
"In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest. It is not offensive. Such people are part of society.
We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them and at the same time use that word."

With all the doubt around the case LFC should take the FA decision to the courts. If there is no other conclusive evidence then there is no way in the world that a Judge and Jury and take one mans word against another with NO other evidence.

If there is OTHER evidence that proves Suarez did 100% racially abuse Evra then fine. We will have to accept it. BUT if they don't then LFC should challenge the FA in the courts. That will put the skids under the FA.

I notice the police are ready to give their decision on Terry all of a sudden today. The FA and the police are defo working in tandem on this. If Terry gets done as well then we may just have to take our meidicine.

Its all down to the evidence the FA are basing their deicision on. This is the foundation for our next steps - IF ANY.......

Evra was accused of shouting You're only booking me because I'm black. That guy is a lying basterd