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No reason for doom and gloom but don't get too carried away - that record isn't that great and if it shows anything it's that the lessons of last season haven't been addressed We still struggle to stick the ball in the back of the net which tends to panic our players when we play the lesser sides in games we've dominated without killing teams off That was our problem last season and still seems to the case this, despite the different personnel The other problem is that under Rafa - even those seasons which we weren't that great in the league - we were nearly always guarantted 3rd or 4th place (and Champions League football) as the only other good sides were Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal With Tottenham and Man City now presenting a real challenge, a 50% win rate simply isn't enough to get us back into the top fourWe need to do better we have gone from a 35% win rate under Roy to 50% under Kenny in a year. Bloody marvellous I say. Of course we are not there yet but we have made great strides and will continue to do so. you quote Rafas team yet he had bought Alonso, Mascherano, Torres. And all had played 50+ games, throw in a younger Carra, a Fit gerrard. All not available inthis last year. Critically there was no Man City money(jees- 185mil loss in 1 year) and Spurs also invested 3+yrs now. We are nearing 1yr in, lets be honest we have grown faster than both these teams did in there first year of investment. +1. Very good post. Ignore the cranky old farts, your willingness to point out factual statistics are unwelcome with them on the basis that they show things in a slightly positive light.
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Is the reason we are not scoring something to do with us not having a goalscorer ? Just a thought.
Suarez is a playmaker as is Kuyt Carroll is er I will come back to you on that one. Bellamy is also a playmaker, Suarez a playmaker only? A hell of a playmaker scoring 81 goals in 110 appearances for Ajax and 26 goals for his National side Uruguay in 52 appearances. We have 2 ways of making right out of wrong: 1) Get a sniper to accompany Suarez and he can continue creating chances for himself and others. 2) Get a good AM/playmaker and Suarez can go back to his usual business i.e. scoring goals again!
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"Slightly positive" is the key point here - anything is positive compared with Uncle Roy! We appear to be on a par with Houllier (or perhaps slightly better), which is not altogether terrible, but the critical point is that there were fewer teams competing for top 4 back then AND we didn't qualify for the CL every season. Against that backdrop we are favourites to miss out on 4th, and given our investment and our stated goal of returning to the CL at the end of this season one has to consider that we are perhaps 5 points short of where we need to be. And 4 of those points should have come from say Norwich and Swansea, perhaps.
So, yes, we're not far off, but these days it's a matter of fractions, and we're on the wrong side of the equation. I fully expect this side to be devastating once we start hitting the target, but I wonder whether we will take too long to kick into gear this season.
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Is the reason we are not scoring something to do with us not having a goalscorer ? Just a thought.
Suarez is a playmaker as is Kuyt Carroll is er I will come back to you on that one. Bellamy is also a playmaker, The answer has to be a qualified yes when you add up all the chances created since the start of the season against all the goals scored, it is obvious we don't have the required finishing touch. My qualification would be that we might have goal scorers in Suarez and Carroll but neither of them are on form. So what do you do if you are running out of time to achieve a very, very, very critical target, and your two first team strikers are out of form? Seems to me you beg, borrow, steal or buy, at least a short term striker, to get you to your target, that is if you believe the target is important enough. All things considered, I would say a top 4 finish this year is important enough.
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Oh for gods sake these statistics are getting out of hand. I am looking forward to the day we hit that all important 53.2% win rate. I know how you feel, funny how all these statistics dont include the money spent between Hodgson and Dalglish in order to raise that win ratio. In all fairness I would fully expect there to be a upturn in results for the better when you spend that amount of money, it's like comparing City under Mancini and City under Mark Hughes at the begining of his term as manager, it's not a level playing field or a fair comparasson.
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"Slightly positive" is the key point here - anything is positive compared with Uncle Roy! We appear to be on a par with Houllier (or perhaps slightly better), which is not altogether terrible, but the critical point is that there were fewer teams competing for top 4 back then AND we didn't qualify for the CL every season. Against that backdrop we are favourites to miss out on 4th, and given our investment and our stated goal of returning to the CL at the end of this season one has to consider that we are perhaps 5 points short of where we need to be. And 4 of those points should have come from say Norwich and Swansea, perhaps.
So, yes, we're not far off, but these days it's a matter of fractions, and we're on the wrong side of the equation. I fully expect this side to be devastating once we start hitting the target, but I wonder whether we will take too long to kick into gear this season. Me too (after one or two more additions). The thing is, not one of us knows when that's gonna be. So people being continually negative and writing our chances off is premature to say the least. It's just very uncalled-for, to be fair. It doesn't matter that we're not favourites to finish in the top four. Nothing is handed out in December. The favourites will be the teams that are there now - that's normal. That will change though - not saying it will change in our favour, but it will change. Beings favourites for anything in December counts for nothing.
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What is Kenny playing at?! visiting sick children at hospital?! Who's taking notes?! Why isn't he looking in the mirror and trying to figure out what he's doing wrong?! i'm appalled! He's ruining this club!!! It's time to get someone in that isn't the greatest to ever wear the jersey! Someone who's hasn't won league titles for LFC before as a manager! Someone who hasn't won the prem as a manager! Someone who doesn't love this club as much as he does! I'm sick of having someone with character and passion for this club managing us. I'd rather win everything than be proud to have a man with such character manager our team! Get out of the hospital Kenny and look in the mirror!!! http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-at-alder-hey-part-1
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Is that supposed to be a cheap shot?
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What is Kenny playing at?! visiting sick children at hospital?! Who's taking notes?! Why isn't he looking in the mirror and trying to figure out what he's doing wrong?! i'm appalled! He's ruining this club!!! It's time to get someone in that isn't the greatest to ever wear the jersey! Someone who's hasn't won league titles for LFC before as a manager! Someone who hasn't won the prem as a manager! Someone who doesn't love this club as much as he does! I'm sick of having someone with character and passion for this club managing us. I'd rather win everything than be proud to have a man with such character manager our team! Get out of the hospital Kenny and look in the mirror!!! http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/reds-at-alder-hey-part-1 Like Roy Hodgson you mean?! Perhaps? perhaps not! 
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Is that supposed to be a cheap shot? Nothing cheap about it. Think it's idiotic to tell a man that knows more about winning football matches than any of us ever will to look in the mirror. You took the cheap shot at Kenny. The man is total and utter class win, lose or draw.
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