KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Time for Kenny to look in the mirror

I agree with Jim's comments above. Forget the statistics when I first saw Crouch I could see he was a footballer even though things were not coming off. With Carroll when I first saw him I thought is it me? My mate said no he is a good player I have seen him at Newcastle you wait. And I am still waiting 12 months on. I have asked on this forum before what are Carroll’s qualities whenever they emerge and no one can tell me. The whole situation is surreal.

Yes we wouldn't be far apart in all of that Stanley, and I agree we haven't much time to get our team settled and we cant waste any more time with out of form players, so its Carroll to the bench for me for the rest of this season with an odd half hour when we're comfortable to try and let him find his feet. I'd give him this season and next season, and if he hasn't come good by the April 2013 I would class him a failed signing. In the mean time we need to sign a goal poacher type to compliment Suarez while holding Carroll as back up, not ideal I agree, but since we are where we are it's the only way forward I think. I would say a renewed partnership between Kuyt and Suarez might work, but for all his great work rate its hard to see Kuyt as top class goal poacher. other than that would Maxi Suarez and Bellamy be the answer? So I think a good striker is is a must in January, if we are to avhieve our target of top four. My gripe was more about all the player bashing and manager bashing that goes on here, rather than positive type analysis of our play and options.

Annefield totally agree with that analysis. We MUST get a striker in January even if it is short term. It would also make no sense to market Carroll now he would be rock bottom sell on.

+1

I think we are really starting to gain momentum and after the city game we will be able to judge the team properly- that will be 20games. Famous Roy had 25points, we have 26 already.

It will also be Dalglish's first full season of games, currently we have 59points from 33games(av 1.79pts or 68pts a season).

a little bit of analysis on the last 10games is useful.

10 games
19points
12 goals
6 conceeded
5 wins
4 draws
1 loss.
4 clean sheets

a 50% win rate is quite healthy as is the defensive record, it would put us 22goals to conceed a season, very much title credentials. Sadly our goal return is bordering on woeful although we are outscoring 2-1.

we are therefore very solid but are we too defensive? probably not but certainly as the new signings settle they are starting to express themselves and be less 'safe'.

On saturday we had 7 players who had been with the club less than year. 5 on the pitch at one time so we are doing ok all things considered. The return of Gerrard and that extra 20% from the new signings should keep us in the mix come April. The fact is I do rate AC at all but as a club we really need him to find some form.

no reason for doom and gloom

No reason for doom and gloom but don't get too carried away - that record isn't that great and if it shows anything it's that the lessons of last season haven't been addressed

We still struggle to stick the ball in the back of the net which tends to panic our players when we play the lesser sides in games we've dominated without killing teams off

That was our problem last season and still seems to the case this, despite the different personnel

The other problem is that under Rafa - even those seasons which we weren't that great in the league - we were nearly always guarantted 3rd or 4th place (and Champions League football) as the only other good sides were Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal

With Tottenham and Man City now presenting a real challenge, a 50% win rate simply isn't enough to get us back into the top four

We need to do better

Yeah, but the difference is that now we're at least creating chances - truckloads of them to be honest - but just can't finish them off properly.

Last year at this time we were just a pale image of the Stokes of this world - hoof 'til the roof! We've come far since then - but sadly not yet to be seen on the score board!

Is the reason we are not scoring something to do with us not having a goalscorer ? Just a thought.

Suarez is a playmaker as is Kuyt Carroll is er I will come back to you on that one. Bellamy is also a playmaker,

we have gone from a 35% win rate under Roy to 50% under Kenny in a year. Bloody marvellous I say. Of course we are not there yet but we have made great strides and will continue to do so.
you quote Rafas team yet he had bought Alonso, Mascherano, Torres. And all had played 50+ games, throw in a younger Carra, a Fit gerrard. All not available inthis last year. Critically there was no Man City money(jees- 185mil loss in 1 year) and Spurs also invested 3+yrs now. We are nearing 1yr in, lets be honest we have grown faster than both these teams did in there first year of investment.

Oh for gods sake these statistics are getting out of hand. I am looking forward to the day we hit that all important 53.2% win rate.

That's what many of us have been continually saying for weeks now.