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Being new here, I didn't know what he was like, but I see he must have previous and I agree with what you say.

I know how good a supporter I am just like I will put my record of supporting my team up against anyones. When I speak i talk from experience, listening to your opinions i reckon your no more than about 20 years of age and if you are older you have serious problems because your views are that of some nomark Wa*ker.

one day when your iq reaches double figures you will be worth having a convo with - until that day arrives though its just a waste of time discussing anything with someone as ignorant as you

just because i have a point of view which is different from yours does'nt mean i am ignorant, this is a forum where peoples differences of opinions are discussed, i am entitled to my opinion as much as anyone on here and i happen to thing its a correct one no matter what you or anyone else may say.

i never said it was because you had a different point of view from me - its because you are ignorant - you haven't a clue about what you call oots yet you pontificate on them as if they are some lower form of life - you are extremely ignorant about it and you need to stop and take the time to realise there is more to them than glory seekers!

You may be convinced that you are correct but that says more about your narrow bigoted vision of things rather than your intellect. Not many real LFC supporters would agree with you, although I am sure you would find a few kindred spirits if you searched hard enougth.

how can you say i dont know what Out Of Towners are like, i mix with them every week in the ground in in the pubs and City before and after games and I have done for 30 years. I have seen the way Liverpool football fans have changed from the 70s to the 80s through Hysel and Hillsborough through to the shambles which was Istanbul and Athens. I am telling you more and more Out of Town fans have jumped on the bandwaggon of supporting a succesful english football club because it's fashionable, I am not making this up i am telling the cold hard facts. United were the first club to lose there identity because of success and the Munich air disater, then we soon followed because of our success in the 70s and 80s, Man City when they start to have there success will start to see fans popping up from everywhere which they have never seen before, when a team has success it;s a price you have to pay. I know when I bring the Out Of Town topic up i know I am going to be in a minority purely and simply because locals are in the very small minority now and football forums are mostly a place where Out Of Towners can voice there opinion simply because they live to far away or they cant get ticket for the match, so they feel part of the club by expresssing there feeling on forums like this one, thats why i fully expect the vast majority on here to be against me when i speak up about the dangers of to many Out Of Town fans in the ground even though i speak the truth which people refuse to believe because it's directly aimed at them. like it or not most Out Of Town fans support us purely and simply because of what we have won, not because of any true love or affinity of what the club is about or the City it born from.

my thoughts concerning the club are that the club has lost it's identity by not doing more for local fans. If the club represents the City by playing it's home games there and also using the City's emblem on it's coat of arms then surely it should do more for it's lifeblood fans. How would you feel if you never had a chance of a job then all of a sudden a big company opened up a factory at the end of your road and employed all it's workers from outside the City even though they had exactly the same skills as you did, and how would you feel if they named the company after the road in which you lived and never done a thing to help the local community. It's like whats going on in this country with contractors bringing in foreign labour instead of using people from here and thats why people are not happy. I have absolutely no problem with Foreign workers or Out of Town fans coming to watch my club, the only time it becomes a problem is when it is at local fans expense and that is exactly what is happening now, it's just not right that local fans who want to watch the Club that represents the place where they live should have to watch games on telly's around the ground while the stadium is full of who knows what and where from. The solution although not ideal is a bit fairer, if a new stadium is built two thirds of it should be set aside fore local fans and the rest for Out of Town support, by doing this the club will still have at least some Liverpool identity within it and also safegaurd future generations of young support coming through. Shanks once said he drummed it into the players that they were privlidged to play for the people of the City and the fat Spnish waiter only just said recently that the Club was the heart of the City which upset the Evertonians, this is why we need to look after the clubs lifeblood which is local support and the reason the Clubs fans are so famous throughout the world in the first place.

It does if the situation regarding ticketing is done right, otherwise we will have the same problem with tickets going to the wrong people. We need to make tickets more easily available to local schools and community centres instead of selling them in block bookings to travel agents like Thomas Cook travel, that way future generations of support are protected and also the Liverpool identity of the club may one day return.

I feel you make valid points and your concerns are genuine, but in the real world there aint any sentiment involved they are running a business, so they need make money. Check this out FIFA said they bring the world cup to africa, but the prices f tickets are insane, it makes it impossible for almost 70% of the local black population to afford a ticket. yea