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Serious questions for the doubters and doomsayers...

Did you really expect us to go from Hodgson's mid-tablers to title challengers so quickly? Did you really expect our team to have it all together by Christmas with so many new players? Do you really think Kenny hasn't done well in his first full half season in charge? Are you really willing to give up on our players after a dozen games or so?
Why cant we go from where we finished last season to a top four place this season, we have had enough funds to bring in the right players, if those players are not enough then the buck stops with the manager. Arsene Wenger won the League in his first full season after Bruce Rioch and did'nt Carlo Ancelotti win the League and Cup double in his first full season despite finishing behind us the season before when Chelsea were under Scolari and Guus Hiddink, so the answer is yes it can be done with the right manager in charge, it's not as if we are asking for the League Title just a top four place.




did kenny dalglish go off with your missus or something??
Not quite Mr Stretford Ender, If Dalglish can help us finish fourth then I will take my hat off to him and say well done he proved me wrong, if he does'nt I fully expect him to do the thing he said when he took the job over and act in the best interests of the football club and fall on his sword or John Henry releive him of his duties either way lets see if he finishes fourth, not going to plan up to now tho

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stretford ender ha. im not the one whos been banned off this forum 20 times mate

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stretford ender ha. im not the one whos been banned off this forum 20 times mate
well neither has ford focus mate.

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Originally Posted By: fordfocus
Why cant we go from where we finished last season to a top four place this season, we have had enough funds to bring in the right players, if those players are not enough then the buck stops with the manager. Arsene Wenger won the League in his first full season after Bruce Rioch and did'nt Carlo Ancelotti win the League and Cup double in his first full season despite finishing behind us the season before when Chelsea were under Scolari and Guus Hiddink, so the answer is yes it can be done with the right manager in charge, it's not as if we are asking for the League Title just a top four place.


While I can't speak for Wenger (because I took very little interest in what was happening at clubs other than LFC in the 90s), Ancellotti won the league with a core of players who had won the EPL and reached the CL final. We, on the other hand, had just finished 7th on the table, and lost two critical members of the team at the start of Kenny's reign (SG and Torres). The player brought in specifically to replace the latter of these has largely failed at LFC - not every signing is going to work out in the first 12 months - and SG remains un-replaced.

It's easy enough to win again with a team of winners, but really very hard to make a handful of changes to a squad of average players and suddenly have them win a league where there are now 6 clubs that play top quality football. The chances of us winning the league this season were remote.

In addition, we've not finished outside the top 4 yet, but we are still very much in the mix. We could be better, but we made a lot of changes (personnel, system [defensive and attacking], management, training), so December is far too early to judge this side. Nothing's decided yet, so try to stay onside. I do think there are some obvious things that could be changed, but that doesn't mean Kenny doesn't know that and doesn't have an alternative (probably better) solution in mind.

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Alrite so December may be too early to judge a manager even though things are not going to plan,are we all in agreement that if we finish outside the top four given the investment we have had it will be time for a change in management, that sound fair.

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Alrite so December may be too early to judge a manager even though things are not going to plan,are we all in agreement that if we finish outside the top four given the investment we have had it will be time for a change in management, that sound fair.


No I don't think everyone is in agreement that we need a quick change. We are not chelsea. Kenny needs time to build his own team, he has already done half the job so why not let him continue? If we don't make the top four tough luck but you have to look at other things like will we be winning any trophies or will we end the season dry again.


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I agree with Snakeye here, for me it would be totally unrealistic to expect 4Th in kenny's first season regardless of the money he has spent,especially when the team is a new one too! i suppose some will have those expectations? i haven't, and i see it as work in progress.City spent millions more and still won nothing,it may come to fruition for them soon but still it has taken time.


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To be honest, I thought everybody else agreed the season objective was to qualify for fourth place, now why are we saying it would be unrealistic to expect fourth place from him.

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For one reason, at the start everyone has hopes but no guarantees,we would all love fourth but if it doesnt happen for various reasons you have to accept it could,COULD! be down to the fact that along with a new team as in work in progress then it may be a bridge too far at this present time,we may make it!? but law of avereages says we probably/possibly wont,if we dont we simply keep trying. you cant be surprised if we dont reach our goals at the first shot under the new situation. thats just what i feel are my own realistic thoughts.


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