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Lucas is now an almost indispensable player in the first team. He has done well and proven many wrong with his ever-improving performances.
I think the other 50% credit must go to Rafa for spotting this gem from Gremio. Obviously he saw something in Lucas that we do not see and because of rafa we now have a top class player in our ranks. I'm not saying rafa deserves all the credit but I think he must be more than well-pleased to see his signing turn out to be a top star.
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Agreed. I remember all the flak Lucas used at Anfield including cheering when he got subbed. He is now looking to be the best defensive midfielder in the premier. A fantastic attitude and a potential future captain. And yes Rafa should take a lot of the credit for spotting that when lots of us couldnt. For myself (and honest I am not just saying this) I could see something in him particulary his application / attitude. I was not one slagging him off 2 /3 years ago. But I am having a go at Carroll but I would love to be proved wrong I really would. Good header against City so thats a start eh?
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Lucas was signed as an attacking mid,so if we use the same logic Carrol will end up as a top class Goalie.
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Lucas was signed as an attacking mid,so if we use the same logic Carrol will end up as a top class Goalie. Ha ha yeah you are right. But plenty midfielders swop around Cara started as a midfielder then switched to defence.
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lucas got stick because he used to be garbage and was so for a long time. thats why he got stick.
he's a different player now. it didnt take him months, it took years, so you can understand fan frustration including my own, ive given him some stick over the years and im not ashamed of it. he's doing a smashing job now because he is finally putting the boot in properly rather than mincing about giving away silly fouls.
if carroll gets better it'll be the greatest turn around since Lazerus.
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I think what a lot of people were saying was that his performances weren't consistent enough. However that seems to have changed in the last half of last season and this season and all credit to him, he looks a real gem at the moment and well done Lucas. I think credit is also due to Adam playing alongside Lucas his recent games have been very good as well and we could well end up with a solid midfield paring here and very timely too given Gerrards problems. I have to confess I was doubtful about both of these players and am really happy to be proved wrong.
Another player I was critical of was Skyrtel and I'm glad to say he is starting to change my mind with his last three performances in particular. I get the impression that we are seeing a team starting to gel with little partnerships showing up in defense and midfield. If we can get a similar dynamic going up front we are in business, but that may take some more time. I'm still a little worried about the tendency to play deep, even when we have the ball, leaving our attack isolated. This was also obvious at stages yesterday, though less so in the second half when the City attack ran out of steam.
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I think what a lot of people were saying was that his performances weren't consistent enough. However that seems to have changed in the last half of last season and this season and all credit to him, he looks a real gem at the moment and well done Lucas. I think credit is also due to Adam playing alongside Lucas his recent games have been very good as well and we could well end up with a solid midfield paring here and very timely too given Gerrards problems. I have to confess I was doubtful about both of these players and am really happy to be proved wrong.
Another player I was critical of was Skyrtel and I'm glad to say he is starting to change my mind with his last three performances in particular. I get the impression that we are seeing a team starting to gel with little partnerships showing up in defense and midfield. If we can get a similar dynamic going up front we are in business, but that may take some more time. I'm still a little worried about the tendency to play deep, even when we have the ball, leaving our attack isolated. This was also obvious at stages yesterday, though less so in the second half when the City attack ran out of steam. I agree with what your analysis Annefield and I am not a dalglish fan but I have to say some good team play yesterday and at Chelsea. The problem with attack which you have correctly identified is I think Saurez is too isolated and doing everthing on his own. He needs a quality player alongside him dare I say someone like Torres. But we need to get the scouts looking because its our big weakness maybe Carroll might come good one day but it looks a long way off right now and we need results now not potentially in 2013 / 4
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rafa deserves 100 percen he persisted with him
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Not sure that he was signed as an attacking midfielder.
The problem with his early career was that he was basically asked to replace Alonso. This is difficult for a world class passer, let alone Lucas.
As soon as he was asked to replace a player who was similar to him (Mascherano) he began to show his qualities.
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Not sure that he was signed as an attacking midfielder.
The problem with his early career was that he was basically asked to replace Alonso. This is difficult for a world class passer, let alone Lucas.
As soon as he was asked to replace a player who was similar to him (Mascherano) he began to show his qualities. The Liverpool Echo portrayed him as an attacking midfielder when we signed him. But that does not mean that was what was in Rafa's mind of course.
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