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i like this, nice balanced view:)

i know thats a hell of optimism this time around but who knows if he somehow manages to bring the title.

I know we ppl wont appreciate our players,staff,managers but we will say ugly football,chelsea,shitty being strong enough,spent heavily in squad threw away title to us,or scum lost Ronaldo,arsenal were as ever inexperienced...and it goes on....

THE THING IS WE NEED THE TITLE,...FOR THAT MATTER IF THE WAITER CAN BRING IN.. GOOD ENOUGH , IF NOT WHO GIVES A DAMN ABOUT HIM OR WHOEVER QUALIFIED PERSON IS THERE UNLESS WE BRING IN #19...

I'm not blaming Wenger for anything, its a comment on how he is perceived and the choices he makes. I said I think Wenger is a great manager.

I think Wenger has had money which he has spent, not always successfully like all managers, and he has had more money to spend which he has chosen not too.

That is his philosophy. Both the board and manager have come out in the past and said he has money to spend, he has chosen not too.

He has also made it plain in the recent past that having a financially profitable business is vital to how a football club is run and so he chooses not to buy unless he deems it financially viable.

Now if you are are fan you want to win trophies and Arsenal are not winning trophies.

I think most Arsenal fans love Wenger but Arsenal fans also want to win trophies and the conversations they have are similar to the ones on here. They talk about Wengers stubborness, his decisions to always pick youngsters when experience would improve the team at times and the lack of a defensive midfielder. And of course the longer they go without winning a trophy the greater the pressure and the more decent grows.

Now we can all say what great football Arsenal play but we dont support them and we dont watch them week in, week out, season after season with growing frustration of the same things happening all the time.

What will happen if Fabragas goes to Barca in the summer? Yet another great player moving on, no trophy and a young replacement with tonnes of potential but still learning the game... result another season with no trophies...

Of course we could sign Fabragas to replace Kuyt... but oops we dont have the money... and funnily the players that cost £8m dont tend to play like Fabragas so you dont play football like Barca.

Funnily just looking at Sky news today, as I said, the grass is always greener...

Arsene Wenger has been informed that the Arsenal hierarchy expect him to deliver a long-awaited trophy this season.

The Gunners have failed to land a piece of silverware since tasting FA Cup glory in 2005.

There have been numerous near misses over the course of the past four years, but there is a growing sense of frustration around Emirates Stadium at the lack of success.

Wenger has been able to mould a squad which is among the most entertaining in European football, with youthful exuberance at the heart of his plans.

His youngsters initially needed time to grow accustomed to life at the highest level, but the feeling is that they must start to deliver sooner rather than later.

That is the view of Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis, who has warned that the club can longer accept second best.

"It's absolutely our ambition to win a trophy this year. I couldn't be more clear on that," he said in the Daily Star Sunday.

"Second, third or fourth isn't good enough. We want to win something this season and we believe we have the squad to do that."

The South African, who was brought on board by the Gunners in November 2008, admits that Wenger has done a fine job in building an exciting side, but admits that potential needs to start being fulfilled.

"We have created and developed a team playing fantastic football," he added. "It's wonderful to watch and very exciting at times.

"We've spoken about the group's potential. Now, and by now I mean this season, it's very important for us to focus strongly on winning something for the fans. They deserve it.

"We can talk about football as a business but, fundamentally, this club exists for the fans and they don't care about financial reports, they care about what happens on the pitch."

that is gazidis, he wants to fully own arsenal and pump money in to win things ....... he sees arsenal as a chelsea type of team with himself as roman abramovich

When rafa watches barca, he watches for weakness and ways to expolit them, then he goes to the nou camp with a plan:) loool

2nd with at least a Champs League and FA cup final appearance.

That's minimum mind you. We need to be progressing every year and that would be progressing.