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"How does the FA draw the line?" is my question. Let's say I call you a "childish little git". You'd be upset, but not so upset that you'd go crying to mommy, and mommy would have little ability to punish me other than perhaps to reply with an insult of her own. Yes?

So what happens when the word in my language (which is different to yours) for "childish little git" happens to have a colour connotation? The meaning of the insult has nothing much to do with race (perhaps only to refer to the skin of a farmhand as being so dark as to be black from the sun), can't really be used in that fashion (the thrust of the insult is "childish" and "git"), but in the dictionary that dreaded word "black" comes up. What now? Is it true that I have racially abused you just because you think I have? Is this where Evra finds himself after confronting Suarez?

I think Suarez is walking in quicksand. The concept of him not being able to speak English - and hence the misunderstanding - isn't valid I'm afraid. This simply because he goes to an English class at the moment - learning to speak and read the language.

Also: did he really use that word 10 times?

If so, then it's almost like when Adebayor ran all across the Emirates after his fist goal for Chitty against Arsenal. He ran 80 meters just to be able to celebrate the goal in front of the Arsenal fans and insult them. Afterwards he claimed his innocence, but how the hell could he run 80 meters (would take about 10 seconds) and then claim "he did it in affection", and "didn't think of the consequences" like he did!

FA will say: Of course Suarez knew what he was doing. He will sadly be found guilty and hung out to dry here!

Hope the ban won't be too hard (more then 8 games?) and that he survives this beating without losing his form!

Almost certainly. If you're doing something that seems to be working you do it again. Was is actually racial abuse? That's the question, and in all honesty only Suarez knows the truth. Unless they're teaching them words they aren't allowed to say, I very much doubt Suarez picked up racial taunts from his English classes.



Except that isn't normally enough to prove guilt in a court/hearing. For this to stick the FA must have proof, and given how many Uruguayans (and Americans with degrees) have come out in support of the word "Negrito" not being a racial insult, the FA will have a tough time proving them all wrong. I'm also sure that Suarez is unlikely to be found not guilty, given the gravity of actually laying a charge against him, but unless they can prove it beyond doubt a lot of people are not likely to take them very seriously. They may give him a lengthy ban as a show of how serious it is, but if it's just a judgement based on one man's opinion it will just appear a farce to those not involved. If Terry's hearing is dismissed at the same time, what kind of message are you sending to potential offenders? "We will sporadically ban people if footballers of higher integrity/better clubs accuse others of racial abuse?" Suarez would have every right to sue the FA in such an instance, I am sure.



He was in pretty good form despite his last 8 match ban in Holland!

I read that and I had to wipe my own bum as I have never seen so much sh1t in my life.

The fact you all WANT him banned does not mean he will be banned, nor does it mean he is guilty, I am happy to await this "evidence" that aparently Liverpool have been drip feeding (way to go again fergie you cantankerous old toad) the media.

The fact that most defences hate the guy has nothing to do with this does it? Or the fact that I haven't seen him once saying "Negrito" on camera, let alone TEN times. And if "Negrito" is bad then I am going to have to stop eating that dark chocolate I like so much as it has Negro in the description (by definition I must be trying to eat a black man)

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I would hate to upset all you pussy whipped little fools by enjoying something that has connotations in an age that is long gone and means nothing now. It is a colour, get over it, the sooner we all do the better.

Still to play fair, here have your little drum back, you can't bang it like a big boy without having something to make a big noise with.

The point of my last post (too late to edit):
Did Suarez insult Evra? Absolutely.
Did he do this deliberately? Absolutely. Anyone denying this is a fool.
But that's not what he is accused of doing, is it?
Did Suarez racially abuse Evra? That's much more difficult to determine given their differences in home language and culture, and Suarez's relative inexperience with English.

Given that the charge is racial abuse and not verbal abuse, the case is surely too difficult to make a judgement either way. The proximity of "Negrito" to other, less savoury words is unfortunate - and in the heat of battle with someone known to cry foul re: racial abuse, it's perfectly understandable that Evra feels aggrieved. But I think he needs to appreciate that maybe, just maybe he misunderstood. Evra has unwittingly opened a big can of worms - the animosity between Man U and LFC was always going to make this much bigger than anything, particularly given how fondly the media look upon us.

I honestly can't see this as anything other than a wash - shake hands and walk away, exactly as Blatter said (though he didn't exactly cover himself in glory saying it). Can you really ban a guy for more than a game or two if he used a word with an impact he simply didn't understand? Can you really ban him at all for using an insult that sounds similar to a racial taunt, but having no racial overtones? [ie Do all words in all languages that sound like "black man" suddenly mean "dirty, ungrateful slave"?] Can you ban a player for laying a false charge in such a case, as Dalglish seems to think should happen to Evra should Suarez walk? I think the answer is "No" to all of these.

What the hell was that all about?

The FA have laid a very serious charge against Suarez.
If you want to try to understand what happened you call for an inquiry, you don't lay a charge against one of the participants. To take such a step demands that they believe it will stick, that they have the necessary proof. It doesn't mean that we want him banned - merely that we can't see why they are so confident. It seems certain he will be condemned because he plays for LFC/is a foreigner/any other excuse people have suggested, and because the FA may try to protect their England captain in a similar case. Make an example of one of them because racism is something we must be seen to be working against, just not the guy we support.

I havent seeen it written anywhere but - if the charge is so serious and suarez so 'guilty' according to man united etc, why didn't they go to the police as happened in JT's case. I presume that no one reported it to the police. How could they. Evra would have to have to have gone to the police or someone on his behalf.

I don't agree with van gogh..
You don't seem aware of the English legal system. He has been accused that is all. He is as innocent as you or I at the moment.

I do think as its the FA and it will be a kangeroo court to cover for JT, that he will get a ban for unsportsmanlike behavioiur thats my bet. That's why it has to be treated by the FA, as a court would laugh the case out of town assuming there is no new 'evidence'

If Suarez admits to using t he word negrito 10 times its not exactly sportsman like (even though they all do it lets not naive - they all try and wind each other up and find each other's weak points during the game)

If he doesn't get his name cleared its a scandal of epic proportion as the FA clearly don't like to see a 'cheating/diving' south american on the headlines of the papers every weekend

Evra is the disgrace imo and A Ferguson for seizing on this case

Poyet should shut his mouth - what he said did suarez no favours

The FA do not have enquiries, it is not the Parliament, they hold trials and as for Thunder, your absolute proof is in disputation and as such will stay disputed until proof is given.

I challenge you all to give me proof in video evidence of this thing that even the match ref did not know about (by FA rules) or do we ignore some rules as the negro card is played?

I tell yah if someone comes down the road today and calls me whitey I am going to stab them, with a spoon!

thunder - there are lots of charges that the FA could find against Evra- its not going to be a real court with justice is it? - Off top of my head unprofessional conduct - bring ing the game to disrepute etc

Yeah and still no proof, how the hell can you bring the game into disrepute with no evidence other than another man's word?

It is insanity