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stop it mate please not good is it .
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i post this in the wake of the dalglish's comments about telling fans not to travel to chelsea and the prospect of fielding a weakened team in the only real chance of winning a cup , plus the now unbelievable clamour for the return of a certain rafa benitez to be either assistant to dalglish or to just replace him all together , this is all down to sentiment nothing more nothing less , if another manager had come out with comments about weakened team and dont travel there would be mass uproar , plus benitez is touting for the liverpool job now and has been since he failed massively at inter milan , which is not good for the club to have him hanging around like some sort of spector from the past , if dalglish succeeds great fantastic , but i think it might not happen under kenny but one thing is certain to replace him with benitez would be the biggest mistake in the clubs history worse than any decision to appoint roy hodgson , why doesnt benitez just move on he hangs around like a bad smell , and the fans encourage it which is down to sentiment pure and simple and it is holding back progression of the club . Why is rafa a bad smell? I would welcome him back with open arms. He managed to achieve considerable success with no support from owners. Who knows what he'll achieve with 100% supportive owners. your blinkered red who believe benitez is whiter than white and done nothing wrong , he is just as much to blame for the decline of liverpool f.c. than the owners at the time , and yes he is hanging around like a bad smell your post proves this but you have you head stuck in this fantasy world of benitez you cant see it . You can have your opinion, I can have mine. I'm not blinkered and my post doesn't prove anything. Judgmental and ungrateful fans like you are the reason why LFC are on the decline. Like someone else pointed out, Rafa made us the feared team throughout europe and I will always be grateful for that. He brought back pride to the city and made the people happy. He was the reason why we are still considered a force in europe today even without european football. Only God knows where LFC would have been today if someone else other than rafa took over from Houllier in 2004. We could have gone without european football for the past 7 years. Mind you, the team Houllier left for rafa was an aging and mediocre squad and everyone could see that. Traore, biscan, smicer, etc. Need I say more? Rafa was never given the level of support other managers in the top 4 had. Kenny came in and was given millions to spend. Rafa? He had to wheel and deal to put together the few odd millions he had. People blame him for poor signings in his last season. You think those were his 1st choice signings??? No. Those were 2nd rate signings and that was because he wasn't given the support to sign the first choice players. If he had been given funds, players like villa or silva would be plying their trade at LFC today. I just can't understand why people like you can't see this fact and continued to bash rafa without facts. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I believe that applies to managers too. Rafa's successes at valencia and LFC were not accidents. They were accomplished through hard work and brilliant tactical thinking. He had a blip when he fell out with dumb and dumber, but that doesn't make him a bad manager overnight. I'm not saying he will be a success if he returns to LFC. But I'm saying that there's a good chance he will do well because of his affinity with the club and as well as his knowledge of the english game. Tell me, which other managers would you take to replace kenny?
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i post this in the wake of the dalglish's comments about telling fans not to travel to chelsea and the prospect of fielding a weakened team in the only real chance of winning a cup , plus the now unbelievable clamour for the return of a certain rafa benitez to be either assistant to dalglish or to just replace him all together , this is all down to sentiment nothing more nothing less , if another manager had come out with comments about weakened team and dont travel there would be mass uproar , plus benitez is touting for the liverpool job now and has been since he failed massively at inter milan , which is not good for the club to have him hanging around like some sort of spector from the past , if dalglish succeeds great fantastic , but i think it might not happen under kenny but one thing is certain to replace him with benitez would be the biggest mistake in the clubs history worse than any decision to appoint roy hodgson , why doesnt benitez just move on he hangs around like a bad smell , and the fans encourage it which is down to sentiment pure and simple and it is holding back progression of the club . Why is rafa a bad smell? I would welcome him back with open arms. He managed to achieve considerable success with no support from owners. Who knows what he'll achieve with 100% supportive owners. your blinkered red who believe benitez is whiter than white and done nothing wrong , he is just as much to blame for the decline of liverpool f.c. than the owners at the time , and yes he is hanging around like a bad smell your post proves this but you have you head stuck in this fantasy world of benitez you cant see it . You can have your opinion, I can have mine. I'm not blinkered and my post doesn't prove anything. Judgmental and ungrateful fans like you are the reason why LFC are on the decline. Like someone else pointed out, Rafa made us the feared team throughout europe and I will always be grateful for that. He brought back pride to the city and made the people happy. He was the reason why we are still considered a force in europe today even without european football. Only God knows where LFC would have been today if someone else other than rafa took over from Houllier in 2004. We could have gone without european football for the past 7 years. Mind you, the team Houllier left for rafa was an aging and mediocre squad and everyone could see that. Traore, biscan, smicer, etc. Need I say more? Rafa was never given the level of support other managers in the top 4 had. Kenny came in and was given millions to spend. Rafa? He had to wheel and deal to put together the few odd millions he had. People blame him for poor signings in his last season. You think those were his 1st choice signings??? No. Those were 2nd rate signings and that was because he wasn't given the support to sign the first choice players. If he had been given funds, players like villa or silva would be plying their trade at LFC today. I just can't understand why people like you can't see this fact and continued to bash rafa without facts. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I believe that applies to managers too. Rafa's successes at valencia and LFC were not accidents. They were accomplished through hard work and brilliant tactical thinking. He had a blip when he fell out with dumb and dumber, but that doesn't make him a bad manager overnight. I'm not saying he will be a success if he returns to LFC. But I'm saying that there's a good chance he will do well because of his affinity with the club and as well as his knowledge of the english game. Tell me, which other managers would you take to replace kenny? spot on mate, well put
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i post this in the wake of the dalglish's comments about telling fans not to travel to chelsea and the prospect of fielding a weakened team in the only real chance of winning a cup , plus the now unbelievable clamour for the return of a certain rafa benitez to be either assistant to dalglish or to just replace him all together , this is all down to sentiment nothing more nothing less , if another manager had come out with comments about weakened team and dont travel there would be mass uproar , plus benitez is touting for the liverpool job now and has been since he failed massively at inter milan , which is not good for the club to have him hanging around like some sort of spector from the past , if dalglish succeeds great fantastic , but i think it might not happen under kenny but one thing is certain to replace him with benitez would be the biggest mistake in the clubs history worse than any decision to appoint roy hodgson , why doesnt benitez just move on he hangs around like a bad smell , and the fans encourage it which is down to sentiment pure and simple and it is holding back progression of the club . Why is rafa a bad smell? I would welcome him back with open arms. He managed to achieve considerable success with no support from owners. Who knows what he'll achieve with 100% supportive owners. your blinkered red who believe benitez is whiter than white and done nothing wrong , he is just as much to blame for the decline of liverpool f.c. than the owners at the time , and yes he is hanging around like a bad smell your post proves this but you have you head stuck in this fantasy world of benitez you cant see it . You can have your opinion, I can have mine. I'm not blinkered and my post doesn't prove anything. Judgmental and ungrateful fans like you are the reason why LFC are on the decline. Like someone else pointed out, Rafa made us the feared team throughout europe and I will always be grateful for that. He brought back pride to the city and made the people happy. He was the reason why we are still considered a force in europe today even without european football. Only God knows where LFC would have been today if someone else other than rafa took over from Houllier in 2004. We could have gone without european football for the past 7 years. Mind you, the team Houllier left for rafa was an aging and mediocre squad and everyone could see that. Traore, biscan, smicer, etc. Need I say more? Rafa was never given the level of support other managers in the top 4 had. Kenny came in and was given millions to spend. Rafa? He had to wheel and deal to put together the few odd millions he had. People blame him for poor signings in his last season. You think those were his 1st choice signings??? No. Those were 2nd rate signings and that was because he wasn't given the support to sign the first choice players. If he had been given funds, players like villa or silva would be plying their trade at LFC today. I just can't understand why people like you can't see this fact and continued to bash rafa without facts. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I believe that applies to managers too. Rafa's successes at valencia and LFC were not accidents. They were accomplished through hard work and brilliant tactical thinking. He had a blip when he fell out with dumb and dumber, but that doesn't make him a bad manager overnight. I'm not saying he will be a success if he returns to LFC. But I'm saying that there's a good chance he will do well because of his affinity with the club and as well as his knowledge of the english game. Tell me, which other managers would you take to replace kenny? what happened at inter then ?
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what happened at inter then ? Rafa's problem at Inter was a bit like what happened to hodgson at LFC. Nobody wanted mourinho to leave and his replacement, no matter how good, would face problems with the players or fans. Put the world's best manager there and people would still clamour for mourinho and not give 100% support to the new manager. Unless, of course, an old inter old guard took over to manage the void left by mourinho. I would point out 3 facts while rafa was at inter: 1) He was promised new signings but were never fulfilled. He wanted mascherano and alexis sanchez, but got nothing. 2) There were a long list of injuries during the 1st 10 games at inter. Sneijder, E'to, walter samuel, zanetti, lucio, maicon, julio cesar, milito were all out for long periods during that season. It got so bad that in a game against bremen, rafa had to field 3 teenager who had zero experience, a 38 year old reserve keeper and a midfielder (cambiasso) at center back. How to do well with such injury problems???? 3) People keep harping that rafa's record at inter was bad. But the record for 1st 10 games were 10 wins, 3 draws and 2 losses. The same as Mourinho's in his previous season before he left. So was it fair to say that rafa did really 'badly'? Let's talk facts before you crucify him.
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anyway back on topic, i think we can still win the carling cup game with a weakened team, because chelsea will play a weakened team too. i hope we win the 2 games, but im just glad the club understand what all the real fans know, that the league is far more important for the furure of this club
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anyway back on topic, i think we can still win the carling cup game with a weakened team, because chelsea will play a weakened team too. i hope we win the 2 games, but im just glad the club understand what all the real fans know, that the league is far more important for the furure of this club Are you going for some sort of record in using Real Fans and League more important in every post, getting boring now, your United tendencies are coming out in every post now with such confrontational statements...
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name calling is normaly a sure fire way of somebody losing a debate...
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anyway back on topic, i think we can still win the carling cup game with a weakened team, because chelsea will play a weakened team too. i hope we win the 2 games, but im just glad the club understand what all the real fans know, that the league is far more important for the furure of this club Are you going for some sort of record in using Real Fans and League more important in every post, getting boring now, your United tendencies are coming out in every post now with such confrontational statements... only real fan would understand
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anyway back on topic, i think we can still win the carling cup game with a weakened team, because chelsea will play a weakened team too. i hope we win the 2 games, but im just glad the club understand what all the real fans know, that the league is far more important for the furure of this club Are you going for some sort of record in using Real Fans and League more important in every post, getting boring now, your United tendencies are coming out in every post now with such confrontational statements... only real fan would understand I think with our support coming from all over the world which all brings different things to the table, we all have different mentalities towards what we call success, here in Liverpool we call winning trophies as success and finishing fourth as a form of success maybe thats where people disagree on here, some places where people live might not be used having football clubs that win trophies so they have the mentality that you dont need to win things to be successful, this seems to apply in this case.
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