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roy hodgson got 2 games,lost to billionaire city away and fans were chanting him out. he took over a bankrupt club,had carra and stevie missing most of his games, a player on strike and torres playing on a go slow.kenny has spent more than anyone apart from city. who cares what you think? go and support your team, your no bloody Liverpool supporter if you want Podgy defended i think we have the new murph. knows very little about football therefore has nothing of any note to add to a debate or discussion. so he just hauls abuse at people who have a real opinion. it's gonna be fun reading your drivel.
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Come on now. After our impressive revival under him last season no real fan can be anything than bitterly disapppinted by our start this season
And it's pretty clear why we're not performing - Daglish's weak signings since taking control
Apart from Suatez and Jose Enrique, I can't think of one that's actually strengthened the team. Adam hasn't been too bad but he's nbot as good as Merieles who Daglish forced out of the club.
How many times does Henderson have to play wide on the right to demonstate it's not his position and never will be, how many more minutes are the likes of Rodriguez, Kuyt and Bellamy going to be wasted on the bench watching the likes of Henderson and Downing trying to play, and when is Andy Carroll going to look like worth even half of the £35m we paid for him
Questions Daglish currently looks incapable of answering and I'd be very reluctant to give him any money over the Janiary transfer window as it's likely to be wasted
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That is really your worst effort yet buddy...I haven't tried to name any wingers cause you can go the top clubs from most leagues and see them make chances game on game mate.
No you can't, you've had all day and couldn't. And no they don't. But lets suppose for a second I agree with you. The top assist maker last season was Nani with 18. You're suggesting he creates great chances (plural) game on game, so lets say 2 or 3 every game. Ok? This is what you're suggesting. Go here: http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/10/waste-not-want-not/and look at the data. This talks about clear cut chances, stats done by OPTA. There is a table there which shows how many minutes on average each TEAM needs to create a clear cut chance. Man United create a Clear Cut Chance (CCC) every 29 minutes on average, i.e. around 3 in an entire game on average. That's what their WHOLE TEAM creates. But according to you their wingers are creating multiple CCC's game in game out. Nani himself is doing 2 or 3 a game according to you. So what about the other winger, and the entire midfield and the two strikers and the defenders. Are they doing nothing if Nani is creating those 2 or 3 clear chances every game? Well it just doesn't stack up does it mybloodisred. Something is CLEARLY wrong with your view of things isn't it  . Liverpool create a clear cut chance every 37 mins, i.e. 2 or 3 a game. And you wonder why I say I'd be happy if Downing created one a game every game? Finally, you'll note that Man U are the top for CCC. So all other teams create on average less than 3 clear chances per game. But you said there were loads of left wingers doing this all over the place. There aren't even players in ANY position doing 2 or 3 clear cut chances a game, never mind leftwing. I hope it's landed now. I doubt you'll accept it, probably too childish. But the facts speak for themselves. You've lost, check your facts next time. Have a good week. P.S. I edit nearly every post. Bad typer. You seem to be bad at a lot of things, making reasoned arguments and accepting people will sometimes disagreeing with you being chief among them I can quite easily but you are like a child going after that its really amusing. Did he play well enough? No. He has overtly stated it. Have a pop over to that other thread and see if anyone agrees with your view, think you'll find they won't buddy You are really struggling aren't you, ignoring everything that gets said to you about the actual debate and going off on a pointless tangent. The question is did he play well enough. Majority of people say no. He says no. The team say none of them did. But oh no, rafarendum likes to be childish and not admit when he's obviously beaten
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That is really your worst effort yet buddy...I haven't tried to name any wingers cause you can go the top clubs from most leagues and see them make chances game on game mate.
No you can't, you've had all day and couldn't. And no they don't. But lets suppose for a second I agree with you. The top assist maker last season was Nani with 18. You're suggesting he creates great chances (plural) game on game, so lets say 2 or 3 every game. Ok? This is what you're suggesting. Go here: http://tomkinstimes.com/2011/10/waste-not-want-not/and look at the data. This talks about clear cut chances, stats done by OPTA. There is a table there which shows how many minutes on average each TEAM needs to create a clear cut chance. Man United create a Clear Cut Chance (CCC) every 29 minutes on average, i.e. around 3 in an entire game on average. That's what their WHOLE TEAM creates. But according to you their wingers are creating multiple CCC's game in game out. Nani himself is doing 2 or 3 a game according to you. So what about the other winger, and the entire midfield and the two strikers and the defenders. Are they doing nothing if Nani is creating those 2 or 3 clear chances every game? Well it just doesn't stack up does it mybloodisred. Something is CLEARLY wrong with your view of things isn't it . Liverpool create a clear cut chance every 37 mins, i.e. 2 or 3 a game. And you wonder why I say I'd be happy if Downing created one a game every game? Finally, you'll note that Man U are the top for CCC. So all other teams create on average less than 3 clear chances per game. But you said there were loads of left wingers doing this all over the place. There aren't even players in ANY position doing 2 or 3 clear cut chances a game, never mind leftwing. I hope it's landed now. I doubt you'll accept it, probably too childish. But the facts speak for themselves. You've lost, check your facts next time. Have a good week. P.S. I edit nearly every post. Bad typer. For such a long post you do talk about a lot of pointless stuff. Did downing play well, NO! Going off on pointless asides about stats that he DOESN'T have makes you just look stupid. I'm not saying you are stupid cause you are obviously articulate, but you are making up pointless stats for him that don't matter in a terribly reaching effort to avoid leaving a point you have been PROVEN wrong on. He didn't play well. It's actually pathetic that someone would go completely off on a different point like you have because they don't wanna concede. My children used to do it, but that was okay cause they were 5 at the time. What's your excuse?
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I didn't read all the posts on the downing thread but I had a quick look at the opta stats thing on the tomkins site. Shame that we dont have several seasons historical stats to compare this season with others. Just going by the times we hit the bar (which would explain the low clinical ratings I would say no panic. If half of them went in we would be up there in these stats and up in around 2nd or 3rd even allowing for the fact that scoring the first goal doesnt guarantee a victory by anymeans.
Lets say 3 of the drawn matches where lfc hit the post/bar were lfc wins thats 6 points banged on. We would be 2nd place.
In football we all know u can play cràp and win thats what manure do so well in many matches.
So for arguements sake say we got the 3 points at swansea
and 3 at norwich & i reckon we should have beaten manure - that would have us in 2nd place.
I don't think this arguement would be valid but for the fact lfc create chances.Therefore i am not worried at all
For downing well what do u expect, the team is not firing at 100 percent; if we had signed ashley young would probably be same story. Part of the reason for signing him was to create width and not allow opposition defenders to predict the attacks so much. We can all see he is performing at 50percent but this is not nececarrily a negative for the future if he improves ( and he will but i think i needs to be benched for a while) then we can expect 2 or 3 perfect crosses per game. I would love to have a superstar winger but lets face it there arent many that want to come to lfc at momement are there
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Completely agree armitage, I dont think there is too much to be worried about, we make chances every game and but for taking just 1 of them in every game so far bar the spurs game, we would have won almost every game and be right up there. A lot more positives than negatives.
I also agree downing isn't type of player who can play great when the teams not, but he should have been doing better than he has. I think he will improve but he definitely needs to. And once again you're right, he needs to be benched based on prior performances like at the weekend in order to give him a little kick.
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Completely agree armitage, I dont think there is too much to be worried about
You don't think there's much to worry about What about the fact that it looks highly unlikely (if not impossible) that we'll be playing in the Champions League next season which means Suarez will almost certainly leave, along with God knows who else After our good start under Daglish I was even willing to give him the benefit after our horrendous summer signings - which I thought were unlikely to take us to that next level at the time If we canb't beat the likes of Norwich and Swaansea at hime, we really are sh*t and won't be qualifyung for the CL - not with Daglish at the helm who seems to be stock in a mid-90s timewarp is trying to recerate what he did at Blackburn here - by signing some expensive British players and thinking it will all be okay It's just like last season - City and United are light years ahead of us, Chelsea are clearly better, as are Arsenal and Tottenham (despite their awful starts) Typical Liverpool fans - not worried about the fact we have looked sh*t for about two and a half seasons now and still trying to spin it to make the club look good
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go and s upport man city then
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Ok, lets just go slowly mybloodisred.
Do you disagree with opta that Man U create just over 3 clear cut chances a game, and that Liverpool create less than 3 a game (approx)?
If you're happy with that then given there are 10 outfield players, how many clear cut chances per game does each player create on average?
Then tell me how many clear cut chances you expect Downing to create a game.
Thanks
I;m gonna go reallllllllllll slow for you okay sweetheart... I'm not arguing with opta stats, you'd do well to grow up and stop making things up when having a discussion with someone, little tip you can have for free there. This boils down to, (do you get that phrase? if not I'll find yet another way to explain basic things to you, no trouble at all  ) did he play well? If nearly everyone says no, downing himself says no, dalglish says no (talking about the whole team not just downing), agger describes the team as headless chickens, I'm inclined to think he didn't Not too tricky there for ya, well it shouldn't be but you've been having trouble so far. The fact you go off on a pointless tangent is pathetic. He wasn't happy with his performance, 90% of supporters weren't (if the mood in the stands and on forums such as this are anything to go by), dalglish wasn't, agger wasn't, but you are cause he created one chance...If you don't mind I'm gonna agree with the people who talk sense rather than resort to childish tactics to win an argument
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So you're now arguing with opta as well on stats, lol. Absolutely pathetic. You're wrong. The most attacking team in the league creates 3 clear cut chances a game, and you claim that good wingers create 2 or 3 every game. it can't possibly be right. First you need to accept that. Until you do, no point carrying on. If you think that you know more about football stats than opta, then you really haven't got a clue. You lost. Deal with it. And take your buddy bigredkop who always posts after you, with you, lol There's nothing made up about the stats I gave. Check them for yourself. Hahaha, you don't listen do you. You are pretty much arguing with yourself. You are dwelling on a tiny and irrelevant point cause you have been completely bested in the actual debate. Pathetic and embarrassing. Time to jog on now princess.
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