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NORWICH WERE UNLUCKY TO LOSE AGAINST MAN UTD AND CHELSEA whereas we batter themm and get a single opt and that is why those two teams will be in the top four at the end of the season and we won't
more than any other this game has convinced me we won't finish in the top 4 this season and will loose suarez, kuyt, reina and maybe a few other players who thought when they signed for liverpool they would be playing in the champions league
as foir kuyt i thought he was poor today and i say that as someone whose been arguing for his inclusion in the starting 11 p- he was just too wasteful in a game we could not afford to be wasteful in
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Goalkeeping - Why not give Doni a game? Reina made another poor decision that cost us two points - although he did save what looked like a winner for them.
Defense - How is Skrtel keeping Agger and Coates out of the team? For all the mistakes he makes we might as well just throw Coates in now - can't get what we're saving him for. I didn't think Johnson was that bad - gave the ball away less than Enrique.
Midfield - Gerrard is just wasted in that deep lying position - he didn't get forward or threaten their goal at all. Adam makes good runs but gets caught dithering when an incisive ball is needed. I didn't quite get the Henderson substitution when we needed desperately to win. Downing was very very poor again and should be dropped for Maxi.
Strikers - Suarez is industrious and creates so many opportunities - but he's wasteful and petulant when he should be calm and lethal. We sometimes get caught forcing the ball to him when other players are open - the Gerrard dependancy we suffered from has switched to Suarez. He also cries wolf too much and now gets no decisions from the referee. Kuyt was very poor again and should be dropped. Despite the usual criticisms of Carroll - we seemed to regain control with him up front and could have nicked it. Bellamy is very effective down the left and should keep his place ahead of Downing or Kuyt.
Manager - Waited too long to change things. Hendo should not have been the first sub as he doesn't offer an improved attacking threat. Carroll should have had more than 12 mins - his presence was creating chances in the box. KK needs to drop Downing and Kuyt, who have been very poor for two games. Carroll's presence did not create more chances in the slightest. His addition gave us nothing. He lost the ball, missed his passes, and fluffed his chance. We were much better before that. If it was a game to see what carroll can do then yes he should have been given more time. But we needed a goal and 1 goal in 19 premier league games suggests he isn't the man to do that at the mo I disagree! He had 12 minutes and the quality of ball in to him was poor throughout those 12 minutes (except the last one perhaps). Norwich were coming back into the game and the Hendo sub was completely ineffectual as a forward threat. I felt like we gained a bit more of the play and started creating chances again when Carroll came on. Time and time again - Adam, Suarez, Downing, Kuyt had the ball in a decent position on the edge of the box and just ran into defenders instead of making an obvious pass - so I don't see how you can single out Carroll who had very little to work with. Suarez still creates 90 % of our chances but he spends too much time moaning and being petulant, which detracts from his sharpness in front of goal. He now doesn't get anything from the ref either - because he's cried Wolf too many times. Having said all that, we did hit the woodwork 3 times - and their keeper made a couple of top-class saves - so we were also a bit unlucky. Absolutely we were unlucky(ish), and I haven't singled carroll out? I put him in the negative section along with others I thought were poor an ineffectual. Also I deliberately stated I don't think he was the issue today, not by a long shot. But equally I disagree with you on what he added to the game, which I think was nothing. Sure having a big man to aim at will occasionally get you something oout of a game, means something might fall off him for suarez etc, but our movement was poorer, and if you want a link to download the full match I'll give you one, and I'd bet you that 80% of what Carroll did lost us the ball cause that's what I saw. And that isn't about poor service cause I'm not talking about crosses etc, im talking about general play. But again, I don't think Carroll should be a talking point of today's game, but equally I saw nothing positive to take from his cameo at all, maybe if he scored his golden chance, but he fluffed it.
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Carroll's presence did not create more chances in the slightest. His addition gave us nothing. He lost the ball, missed his passes, and fluffed his chance. We were much better before that. If it was a game to see what carroll can do then yes he should have been given more time. But we needed a goal and 1 goal in 19 premier league games suggests he isn't the man to do that at the mo
I disagree! He had 12 minutes and the quality of ball in to him was poor throughout those 12 minutes (except the last one perhaps). Norwich were coming back into the game and the Hendo sub was completely ineffectual as a forward threat. I felt like we gained a bit more of the play and started creating chances again when Carroll came on. Time and time again - Adam, Suarez, Downing, Kuyt had the ball in a decent position on the edge of the box and just ran into defenders instead of making an obvious pass - so I don't see how you can single out Carroll who had very little to work with. Suarez still creates 90 % of our chances but he spends too much time moaning and being petulant, which detracts from his sharpness in front of goal. He now doesn't get anything from the ref either - because he's cried Wolf too many times. Having said all that, we did hit the woodwork 3 times - and their keeper made a couple of top-class saves - so we were also a bit unlucky. Absolutely we were unlucky(ish), and I haven't singled carroll out? I put him in the negative section along with others I thought were poor an ineffectual. Also I deliberately stated I don't think he was the issue today, not by a long shot. But equally I disagree with you on what he added to the game, which I think was nothing. Sure having a big man to aim at will occasionally get you something oout of a game, means something might fall off him for suarez etc, but our movement was poorer, and if you want a link to download the full match I'll give you one, and I'd bet you that 80% of what Carroll did lost us the ball cause that's what I saw. And that isn't about poor service cause I'm not talking about crosses etc, im talking about general play. But again, I don't think Carroll should be a talking point of today's game, but equally I saw nothing positive to take from his cameo at all, maybe if he scored his golden chance, but he fluffed it. I saw the game (thank you very much) and assessed the evidence for myself. Kuyt and Downing were the worst players in red and Adam wasn't much better. Carroll did not give the ball away with every touch - as much as you wanted him to. He actually got himself open for a simple square ball when Suarez and Kuyt elected to try and dribble through the defense and lose the ball. He also won a header in the box that set up a half chance for Suarez. He should have scored his chance but he did well to get across his defender to get his head to the ball. His presence in the box helped create two or three clear cut chances at the end. But you'd rather see Kuyt's blind cart-horse routine! The game link wasn't meant patronisingly, I always watch the game again to get a better feel for it, I wish you wern't so sensitive to someone disagreeing with you. I can tell you now watching his cameo Carroll did in fact give the ball away the majority of the time like I said. I can also assure you that's the oppositte of what I wanted, suggesting I want a liverpool player to fail makes you look ridiculous. The square ball you mention, I havn't been able to find that? If you mean he might have been found with a lofted curved cross which is in no way simple, but Kuyt and suarez were selfish then yes absolutely that did happen but it wasn't simple. He won a header...that is true. And he fluffed a sitter. I am desperate for him to do well, but I call it as I see it. And yes I'd rather have Kuyt's intelligent running even though he did have a poor game. Adam was very good in the first half and quiet in the second. Downing was woeful.
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First thing I want to say is that I really enjoyed the match tonite, not very often I walk out of a game thinking I have had decent value for my money for a change, but I did tonite. I thought Paul Lambert deserves plenty of credit for starting with a positive team selection and also not abandoning his footballing principles in there approach to playing at Anfield.
I think what is clear to see from our point of view is that we still have'nt learnt any lessons from previous seasons in winning against lower teams we are expected to beat, we always seem to get poor results against newly promoted teams at home like Blackpool, Watford's, Ipswich's and Barnsley's of this world so tonite is nothing new.
I think what is clear tonite is we have a manager who is clearly struggling with tactics and looks completely out of his depth in today's game. If you look at the end of his time at the Club last time round you can clearly see similarities with baffling team selections, no start for Carroll still, after netting against Everton when his confidence is high, bringing on centre halfs in Agger when we are at home chasing the game and leaving players on like Kuyt when everyone can see he was struggling right from the off. I think what we are seeing now from Dalglish is the same sort of things we seen under Benitez in that he is far to stubborn to the extent it is clouding his judgment, the owners will not be acting in the best interests of the Club if they dont address this situation at Xmas.
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I knew when we were battering them first 20 muinutes but did not score how it would end up. After the first 20 mins we looked like a team who had just met that evening. And maybe Norwich were overawed and made us look good early on. As others have said our signings are just not good enough thats plain to see. That guy who scored for Norwich (Gary Holt?) is he really worse than Carroll and he cost nothing. I cannot for the life of me see how its going to get better where is the improvement going to come from? I am trying not to be negative here I really am.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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I knew when we were battering them first 20 muinutes but did not score how it would end up. After the first 20 mins we looked like a team who had just met that evening. And maybe Norwich were overawed and made us look good early on. As others have said our signings are just not good enough thats plain to see. That guy who scored for Norwich (Gary Holt?) is he really worse than Carroll and he cost nothing. I cannot for the life of me see how its going to get better where is the improvement going to come from? I am trying not to be negative here I really am. We are a top six team and Club no more, no less and tonites result is the same ones team's and Clubs in the top six get, simple as.
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why can the players not play for 90 min.
wen they scored, we went to pot, all over the place.
the players are always good for 45min, some one needs to tell them, the game is for 90min.
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just finished watching MOTD and i feel sick. those unlucky fu****ing cu*tz. its really taking the pi*ss we dont deserve to be anywhere near the top 4. kenny needs to get his fingers out and sort this sh#t out.
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Great performance from the majority of the lads and a real team effort, unforunately could not cap that with a win but the performance was very positive, I am looking forward to seeing Lucas out of our starting 11 for some games now as we were very dominant in midfield without him.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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