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Bar #162510 22/10/11 11:48 PM
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Plusses: Adam, Bellamy, Suarez (touch and creativity), Gerrard.

Negatives: Johnson still can't defend, Suarez (poor poor finishing), Downing (absolute shocker, I mean as terrible a performance as babel ever had), defending at times, and Carroll (coming on and giving a foul away, miss placing all his passes I think, giving the ball away twice and missing a sitter at the death).


All fair comments, agree with most of that. I'd add Kuyt to the negatives - I think he was very poor today.

Overall a very frustrating match to watch. On another day we'd have bagged 4 or 5 and Suarez would have had a hat-trick.

Yet another failure to keep a clean sheet. A centre back has to be the priority for January. Clearly Coates isn't ready to go straight into the first team as first choice, so we need to get someone who is, and I think that person should be Gary Cahill, and they should make him the priority for January. Sell Skrtel in the summer cos i'm sick of the sight of him. I get nervous any time the ball comes anywhere near him. I don't think he ever wears studs in his boots, he's always slipping all over the place.

To add to the positives, in a pool of negatives - chances - we created tons of them. Yes, we only scored 1, but it's a huge plus that we're making that many chances, and if we keep that up, we'll score plenty of goals. Their keeper pulled off some very good saves and we hit the woodwork 3 times.


Gotta agree with that, centre back a must, and that first half, the number of chances we were making was ridiculous, the movement was brilliant.

A thing that saved Kuyt from me putting him in the negative column was his movement, he made space for bellamy and suarez several times. When Carroll came on, fair enough it was a different game as time running out, desperate for a goal, Norwich with a bit of belief about them but those spaces weren't there anymore.

Downing for me in the last few games has been just simply woeful, now I'm not saying the whole team is rubbish sack everyone start again. But Kenny is going to get some critics sooner rather than later if Carroll doesn't dramatically turn his game around (I know it was a short cameo but every touch he had was him doing something wrong) and Downing gains some of his early season form back.

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I can't help but feel carroll would have scored with all those crosses if he had started. Suarez annoyed me diving all over the shop, and Kuyt works hard, creates chances but simply is not good enough to be a striker.His finishing is poor.

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I wasn't replying to you i was replying to pops I agree with what you said but would definitely add kuyt to negatives he was poor and i agree downing was our worse player he was awful what kenny was playing at leaving downing on and taking bellamy of I will never know can only assume he wasn't fit enough for a full 90 kuyt and downing should have come off for Carroll and hendo very poor and absolutely distraught we didn't win and win comfortable sickening but would think we are used to it now we have no hope of a top 4 we just can't kill teams off that's why we are so far behind the chavs shitty and the scum

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Originally Posted By: Reconize
I can't help but feel carroll would have scored with all those crosses if he had started. Suarez annoyed me diving all over the shop, and Kuyt works hard, creates chances but simply is not good enough to be a striker.His finishing is poor.


Would he though? Carroll had a sitter and put it wide with his head. Has 1 goal in 19 appearances.

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1 goal? What about his 2 against city one against Brighton and one against everton he needs to play to get match fit and find form we need him in the team you can't expect a striker who hasn't played to be in good form strikers live on goals and confidence and when you dont play more than 10mins you can't have either

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Goalkeeping - Why not give Doni a game? Reina made another poor decision that cost us two points - although he did save what looked like a winner for them.

Defense - How is Skrtel keeping Agger and Coates out of the team? For all the mistakes he makes we might as well just throw Coates in now - can't get what we're saving him for. I didn't think Johnson was that bad - gave the ball away less than Enrique.

Midfield - Gerrard is just wasted in that deep lying position - he didn't get forward or threaten their goal at all. Adam makes good runs but gets caught dithering when an incisive ball is needed. I didn't quite get the Henderson substitution when we needed desperately to win. Downing was very very poor again and should be dropped for Maxi.

Strikers - Suarez is industrious and creates so many opportunities - but he's wasteful and petulant when he should be calm and lethal. We sometimes get caught forcing the ball to him when other players are open - the Gerrard dependancy we suffered from has switched to Suarez. He also cries wolf too much and now gets no decisions from the referee. Kuyt was very poor again and should be dropped. Despite the usual criticisms of Carroll - we seemed to regain control with him up front and could have nicked it. Bellamy is very effective down the left and should keep his place ahead of Downing or Kuyt.

Manager - Waited too long to change things. Hendo should not have been the first sub as he doesn't offer an improved attacking threat. Carroll should have had more than 12 mins - his presence was creating chances in the box. KK needs to drop Downing and Kuyt, who have been very poor for two games.


Carroll's presence did not create more chances in the slightest. His addition gave us nothing. He lost the ball, missed his passes, and fluffed his chance. We were much better before that. If it was a game to see what carroll can do then yes he should have been given more time. But we needed a goal and 1 goal in 19 premier league games suggests he isn't the man to do that at the mo

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Thought we were generally good again today. Norwich scored a good goal. Defensively we were ok. But lord above we need a finisher. Leave bellers on he was going well. Also if your bringing ac on you need crosses ie downing. I also feel we lack belief to go and kill off teams..Utd didn't play well and got 3 pts. We play well and drop 2.......

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1 goal? What about his 2 against city one against Brighton and one against everton he needs to play to get match fit and find form we need him in the team you can't expect a striker who hasn't played to be in good form strikers live on goals and confidence and when you dont play more than 10mins you can't have either


Sorry, 1 goal in 19 Premier League matches.

I don't want to focus on Carroll though, he wasn't the biggest dissapointment from this game, not even close. Just there is nothing good to be taken from his performance and people think there is. Baffles me. But like I said. Carroll wasn't the issue today.

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Originally Posted By: TheKopProphet
Goalkeeping - Why not give Doni a game? Reina made another poor decision that cost us two points - although he did save what looked like a winner for them.

Defense - How is Skrtel keeping Agger and Coates out of the team? For all the mistakes he makes we might as well just throw Coates in now - can't get what we're saving him for. I didn't think Johnson was that bad - gave the ball away less than Enrique.

Midfield - Gerrard is just wasted in that deep lying position - he didn't get forward or threaten their goal at all. Adam makes good runs but gets caught dithering when an incisive ball is needed. I didn't quite get the Henderson substitution when we needed desperately to win. Downing was very very poor again and should be dropped for Maxi.

Strikers - Suarez is industrious and creates so many opportunities - but he's wasteful and petulant when he should be calm and lethal. We sometimes get caught forcing the ball to him when other players are open - the Gerrard dependancy we suffered from has switched to Suarez. He also cries wolf too much and now gets no decisions from the referee. Kuyt was very poor again and should be dropped. Despite the usual criticisms of Carroll - we seemed to regain control with him up front and could have nicked it. Bellamy is very effective down the left and should keep his place ahead of Downing or Kuyt.

Manager - Waited too long to change things. Hendo should not have been the first sub as he doesn't offer an improved attacking threat. Carroll should have had more than 12 mins - his presence was creating chances in the box. KK needs to drop Downing and Kuyt, who have been very poor for two games.


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