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I don't know who the bitch and moan is aimed at but whilst I can see what you're trying to say I think that is very reductive thinking. You want more from your players than Carroll gave, yes he got a goal, but he didn't play well enough in that game, nowhere near where he should be right now. Not writing him off but lets not pretend he played well just because he scored a goal. Yes we won one game with him, next game without him we drew. But again, very reductive, everyone can see our performance vs Utd was a lot better. Now there are a lot of confounding variables like home/away, best team in the league/early season everton, we can't escape the uncertainty of what if. But too many people, yourself included are too readily giving carroll that starting place when hes been very poor. before you say but he scored a goal i direct you to the top of this post again, we want more from him. To be fair to whoever said it, this game against one of the minows might be a good proving ground to give him but if it were against one of the other top 6 again, I would definitely leave him out, we played much better without him. He does however need these norwich type games to prove he is worth a place.

But too many people, yourself included are too readily giving carroll that starting place when hes been very poor

whats the point in looking good.!!?

we looked good without him in last match but what did we get~?

1 point!!

Well firstly then its simple matter of us disagreeing so we won't follow each others logic which happens some time, nothing wrong with that, cause I can't for a second see how you think he actually played well. His overall performance was average at best in my opinion, but like I said nothing wrong with you seeing it differently to me.

Your last point though is a little pointless, yes anyone would take 3 points over anything every single day of the week, that is completely and utterly obvious. But more often that not if you play better football you get the 3 points. If we played like we did against Utd against say villa, I would be certain of the 3 points. If we played like we did against Everton against villa then I would not be so confident (I have arbitrarily chosen Villa you can chose any team in the league). Therefore I would pick my future team based on that, rather than backwardsly (not saying backwards thinking in terms of not smart, but more literally looking backwards) thinking oh we got the 3 points that day. We had a better performance without him, so until that changes, and I would give him games like the norwich one to change it, I'd play the better performing side (5 man midfield) against top half teams.

Now before you level how is it a better performing side when we drew (though you might not), we all know sometimes the ball doesn't fall for you even when you're the better team. So it isn't really a significant argument.

Nothing wrong with people having different opinions in the slightest. I'd be more concerned/bored if we all agreed. I know Carroll hasn't been on sparkling form this season, particularly in comparison to other players he's competing with. I saw a lot of improvement in his game against Everton though (not just his goal), and thought he may have been deserving of a place against United. He didn't play though, and i'm fine with that. No big deal. I'd like to see him play vs Norwich, but if he doesn't start, I still don't think it's a big deal (although to leave a player out for 2 games after he's scored a huge goal, after he'd previously been low on confidence anyway, would be potentially confidence-shattering, and a very un-Kenny-like decision).

The thing I take issue with is people making sweeping statements like the one someone (not sure if it was yourself or someone else) said Andy is "not deserving of a place in the side" or the other one that "Kenny's decision to leave him out vs Man Utd was vindicated".

I, like anyone else will have my own opinion on who I think should play, but when the manager names his team and it doesn't match my own predicted lineup, who am I to say he's right or wrong?

tbh i dont think kenny knows what his best team is.its beginning to dawn on him that actualy the players he bought 4 of them are not very good.his choice there though.3 points against norwich.but will it be.anyones guess realy!

Personally I would start caroll on his own, gerrard just behind so he gets decent delivery. Couple goals against a weak defence would do no end of good for his confidence.