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Lenny I hope the big man comes good but let's face it. We look much better without him. His chance will come again, just hope he takes it...

+1 for me here...Not only did he score the winner I thought his work rate was very good. Against a side like Norwich I think he should start up front with Suarez and use our wingers to get the ball into him from out wide.

We need to hold possession as much as we can and cause their defence to panic around the box and give away free kicks, so Adam and Stevie can target Carroll to put one in the back of the net.
We can't take Norwich lightly because they are only a fe points behind us so we should start with our strongest line up and seal the game before making any subs....just my opinion.

YNWA.

I actually disagree with this theory that we should be resting Suarez, he is one of those players that has to play every single game. e.g. Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney. These players play 50 odd games a season and go for years and years. Suarez does not like to rest, you can even see it when he gets subbed. I would be worried if it was Torres or Gerrard, but I think Suarez is not an injury prone player thank god.

Stick with the same 5 man midfield and Suarez, No Carroll for me just yet.

Gerrard Hendersen Adam Bellamy
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whats the point in looking good.!!?

we looked good without him in last match but what did we get~?

1 point!!

He slowed down counter attacks, and his overall game wasn't particularly good, all credit to him for a fantastic finish. But you should want more than just a goal from a striker, Kuyt for his goal showed quick thinking and good movement to duck and give Carroll his chance. I'd rather have that up top with suarez cause I think it will lead to more chances and more chances more than likely leads to more goals.

All credit to the big man for a fantastic finish, but he definitely needs to do more. If Kenny plays him so be it he must have shown more in training, but as I've said before, I'm proud to have manager who wasn't afraid to drop his big money signing to the bench cause he knew he wasn't playing well enough to contend with Utd, and cause the game plan against Utd didn't include him.

Agree with you there mate

Whilst I don't think Carroll has been playing that well, I think his goal DOES mean he should start against the (with all due respect) smaller teams. How is he gonna prove his worth if he doesn't play. He needs the games cause like I said he has NOT been playing well enough, so let's give him a chance to start by playing against some of the poorer teams in the league.

Yeah, you have a point about him not being the quickest, so not overly suitable for counter attacks - although he's a centre forward - when the midfield starts breaking on a counter attack, surely he should already be up there?

I'm not saying I don't think anybody else isn't worthy of a place in the side, or that Carroll is more worthy than the likes of Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy, Adam, but I don't get how someone can flat-out say he doesn't deserve a place in the team. Especially given that in his last start - 2 games ago - he scored the winning goal - and we drew the next match without him. I'm not saying we didn't win because he didn't play, and i'm not saying we wouldn't have beaten Everton if he hadn't played, but his performance against them was much improved and for anyone who watched the game closely, he worked very hard and got about the pitch a lot more than he previously had, and was much more effective. These are good signs. I think there are just certain people who are happy to turn a blind eye to that, just in order to have a bitch and a moan.

Am inclined to agree there BarLennon, We need to give Carroll a chance to prove himself before we condemn him. I also think people talking down teams like Norwich as "weaker teams" is somewhat delusional. On a good day any side in the PL can turn over the front runners, particularly if they are foolish enough to underestimate them, or hold them in contempt. I've seen some on here talking three games ahead as being nine points in the bag! We just cant do that sort of thing, every game in the PL is a challenge and should be seen and prepared for as such, there are no 'gimmies' in the PL. We are playing less games (not being in europe) so we should be able to field our 1st eleven, with the exception of injuries, so why not do that and go for it?

Yeah, you have a point about him not being the quickest, so not overly suitable for counter attacks - although he's a centre forward - when the midfield starts breaking on a counter attack, surely he should already be up there?

I'm not saying I don't think anybody else isn't worthy of a place in the side, or that Carroll is more worthy than the likes of Suarez, Kuyt, Bellamy, Adam, but I don't get how someone can flat-out say he doesn't deserve a place in the team. Especially given that in his last start - 2 games ago - he scored the winning goal - and we drew the next match without him. I'm not saying we didn't win because he didn't play, and i'm not saying we wouldn't have beaten Everton if he hadn't played, but his performance against them was much improved and for anyone who watched the game closely, he worked very hard and got about the pitch a lot more than he previously had, and was much more effective. These are good signs. I think there are just certain people who are happy to turn a blind eye to that, just in order to have a bitch and a moan. [/quote]

I don't know who the bitch and moan is aimed at but whilst I can see what you're trying to say I think that is very reductive thinking. You want more from your players than Carroll gave, yes he got a goal, but he didn't play well enough in that game, nowhere near where he should be right now. Not writing him off but lets not pretend he played well just because he scored a goal. Yes we won one game with him, next game without him we drew. But again, very reductive, everyone can see our performance vs Utd was a lot better. Now there are a lot of confounding variables like home/away, best team in the league/early season everton, we can't escape the uncertainty of what if. But too many people, yourself included are too readily giving carroll that starting place when hes been very poor. before you say but he scored a goal i direct you to the top of this post again, we want more from him. To be fair to whoever said it, this game against one of the minows might be a good proving ground to give him but if it were against one of the other top 6 again, I would definitely leave him out, we played much better without him. He does however need these norwich type games to prove he is worth a place.