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i think hummels, sakho wud cost about 30/35m to sign in total.
Javi M and sissoko, cost 30m in total.
60/65m outlay.
players sold ie
agger, skrtel..15m Lucas..........10m
net spend...35/40m, on four top quality players.
money in.......25m.
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The problem with Lucas is that the defensive frailties around him - ie. Adam, Henderson, make him the scapegoat. If you watch this game and the Spurs game very carefully, Lucas has no choice but to move forward to address VDV and Modric and O'Hara. What this does is he is taken out of his DMC position leaving a striker like Adebayor and Fletcher/Doyle to run into the space between the midfield an defense and allowing them to turn to do something with it.
This is why you need your midfield to work doubly hard or have two DMCs. If we play like this against the big teams without allowing Lucas to mop up which he is great at instead of being the first line of defence, we will get smashed.
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lucas was out of position for the goal and is always giving away frees. im not saying he doesnt do anything right, but i find him frustrating and below par. Which position was he not in exactly? Where do you expect him to be on that goal? Do you think he's the only one out of position on that goal? Lucas does give away too many freekicks, but he also makes a lot more tackles than others, and has to stop play before it gets dangerous. So this is kind of a necessity. I think he could be smarter about where he gives the freekicks away. He was excellent today, and has been for quite some time. I think just some people can't accept they were wrong about Lucas. I'm in 100% agreement with all of that. Some people focus on all the negatives and ignore all the positives.
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i think hummels, sakho wud cost about 30/35m to sign in total.
Javi M and sissoko, cost 30m in total.
60/65m outlay.
players sold ie
agger, skrtel..15m Lucas..........10m
net spend...35/40m, on four top quality players.
money in.......25m.
Do you permanently reside with your head in the clouds?? i have absolutely no confidence in lucas, dreading the fact that he will start against everton ..think it imnmediatly puts us on the back foot I actually laughed out loud when I read that. I see some ridiculous statements posted on here, but that's up there with the best of them.
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And I thought ignorance was supposed to be bliss...
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Lucas struggled when Wolves had momentum in the quarter of an hour after halftime, mainly because it was something like him vs their entire midfield. Adam is known to be poor defensively (we all knew it when we tried to sign him in Jan), and Henderson doesn't impose himself enough. I don't think Wolves even had an attempt on goal after Kuyt came on, and it wasn't because they stopped trying or Lucas suddenly started having a good game. The other problem is that he has a very dodgy center half pair behind him who have been responsible for the lion's share of goals we've shipped thus far this season. He gave away far more free kicks than normal probably because he was aware that although there were two guys behind him, he was the last line of defense. Fortunately the referee favoured us - Skrtel produced at least two yellow card infringements, and Adam kicked someone in the face. We survived the first half without a card somehow.
Quite frankly the only reason we won (in terms of playing the game) was because Kelly started - what a pleasure to watch the ball be carried up passed the halfway line on the right and keep going rather than coming back under pressure like the last two games. He did struggle a bit against Jarvis during that period when they dominated in midfield, but I'd put that down to lack of match fitness after injury rather than lack of ability - he was immense in the first half after all.
I'm also conscious that Carroll has played well in both his last EPL games. You might not have noticed him lose his marker more than a few times and was unlucky enough to hit the upright with the keeper beaten. It was one of those games where it looked like he and Suarez were trying to create chances and space for each other, and we could use a bit more of that. I highlight that point because that interplay is what makes the Suarez-Kuyt front line tick, and if Carroll can become as good a partner to Suarez as Kuyt is then we'll see the goals fly.
Overall I felt it was an encouraging performance, even though it helped to highlight our weaknesses. But hey, SG is back, and Wolves were falling over themselves to prevent us scoring more at the end.
Final note: Suarez was annoyed that he got subbed, because he wants to have as many opportunities to score as possible, but he doesn't look fit to me, and I believe it was good for the guys to try Downing-Gerrard-Kuyt behind Carroll in a game. It's good that Suarez has that fire, but he needs to remember that it's a squad game. And yeah, superb goal after Wolves cut out the simple ball into the six-yard box where Carroll was lurking.
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sorry to shine a light on yours. Oh i'm not ignorant, my friend, I can assure you of that 
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Lucas struggled when Wolves had momentum in the quarter of an hour after halftime, mainly because it was something like him vs their entire midfield. Adam is known to be poor defensively (we all knew it when we tried to sign him in Jan), and Henderson doesn't impose himself enough. I don't think Wolves even had an attempt on goal after Kuyt came on, and it wasn't because they stopped trying or Lucas suddenly started having a good game. The other problem is that he has a very dodgy center half pair behind him who have been responsible for the lion's share of goals we've shipped thus far this season. He gave away far more free kicks than normal probably because he was aware that although there were two guys behind him, he was the last line of defense. Fortunately the referee favoured us - Skrtel produced at least two yellow card infringements, and Adam kicked someone in the face. We survived the first half without a card somehow.
Quite frankly the only reason we won (in terms of playing the game) was because Kelly started - what a pleasure to watch the ball be carried up passed the halfway line on the right and keep going rather than coming back under pressure like the last two games. He did struggle a bit against Jarvis during that period when they dominated in midfield, but I'd put that down to lack of match fitness after injury rather than lack of ability - he was immense in the first half after all.
I'm also conscious that Carroll has played well in both his last EPL games. You might not have noticed him lose his marker more than a few times and was unlucky enough to hit the upright with the keeper beaten. It was one of those games where it looked like he and Suarez were trying to create chances and space for each other, and we could use a bit more of that. I highlight that point because that interplay is what makes the Suarez-Kuyt front line tick, and if Carroll can become as good a partner to Suarez as Kuyt is then we'll see the goals fly.
Overall I felt it was an encouraging performance, even though it helped to highlight our weaknesses. But hey, SG is back, and Wolves were falling over themselves to prevent us scoring more at the end.
Final note: Suarez was annoyed that he got subbed, because he wants to have as many opportunities to score as possible, but he doesn't look fit to me, and I believe it was good for the guys to try Downing-Gerrard-Kuyt behind Carroll in a game. It's good that Suarez has that fire, but he needs to remember that it's a squad game. And yeah, superb goal after Wolves cut out the simple ball into the six-yard box where Carroll was lurking. Refreshing to see someone who talks logic and common sense 
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sorry to shine a light on yours. Oh i'm not ignorant, my friend, I can assure you of that if you think we will get to where we need to be with lucas a mainstay in the team then i can assure you you are. Did I say that?? It's those sort of assumptions that make you look foolish at times, emp.
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henderson and adam are really bad defensively...luckily we got lucas who does the work of two people....other wise we would have got raped...
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