"lets win the carling cup" reminds me of parents telling their kids " lets go to skegness for the hols" when you wanted to go to tenerife!
" Let's finish fourth " reminds me of the Aston Villa's, Southampton's, Nottingham Forest's and Sheffield Wednesday's back in the 80's when a team called Liverpool Football Club were beating Real Madrids and Roma's in European Cup final's as well as routinely picking up League Championships, my, my how the mighty have fallen when fourth place is seen as our ultimate goal in success.