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no nobody want to answer the question , its only a question of fairness.
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I just think the current manager deserves to be treated with exactly the same standards and expectation levels as the previous one and the manager after our current one with the same standards again, this should now be the norm when judging our managers which can only be regarded as fair. People talk about fans being fickle and moaning, well I think it's fair every game should be taken on individual merit, people on here are expecting a top four place especialy with a so called Dalglish at the helm, serious serious money being spent and with what people keep telling me is a well better team and happier moral about the place. All I am saying is well if thats the case we should have more points given we have played Sunderland and Bolton both at home, an Arsenal team in complete disaray and an improved Stoke team but none the less a Stoke City team who have no expectation of getting into the top four, we have 2 wins, a draw and a defeat which is only two points better off than under our last manager who was already being crucified by his second game in charge.
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FAZ: ok fine no problem with that but why wasnt the same positivety given to the team and manager this time last year ? Few points. Hodgson's first 4/5 games didn't receive much criticism. Dalglish's first 4/5 games were last season. This is a new season, and Dalglish already impressed last season. But if you want to compare starts of the season, Dalglish is two points higher after 4 games, which equates to 19 points more over a season, which is significant. I'd say Dalglish has already received some criticism for signings, so Hodgson didn't have it harder. When criticism came to Hodgson, it was because people could tell we wouldn't be successful. You don't need a full season to see that a pub footballer isn't going to make it in the premiership. We could tell Hodgson couldn't do it, and he was actually given longer than he should have had. The chants about Bentiez and Dalglish were not nice. But then neither was some of the things Hodgson had to say. Finally, Dalglish has achieved some success as a manager at more than one club. Hodgson never has at the top level. well put
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FAZ: ok fine no problem with that but why wasnt the same positivety given to the team and manager this time last year ? Few points. Hodgson's first 4/5 games didn't receive much criticism. Dalglish's first 4/5 games were last season. This is a new season, and Dalglish already impressed last season. But if you want to compare starts of the season, Dalglish is two points higher after 4 games, which equates to 19 points more over a season, which is significant. I'd say Dalglish has already received some criticism for signings, so Hodgson didn't have it harder. When criticism came to Hodgson, it was because people could tell we wouldn't be successful. You don't need a full season to see that a pub footballer isn't going to make it in the premiership. We could tell Hodgson couldn't do it, and he was actually given longer than he should have had. The chants about Bentiez and Dalglish were not nice. But then neither was some of the things Hodgson had to say. Finally, Dalglish has achieved some success as a manager at more than one club. Hodgson never has at the top level. Firstly Dalglish does'nt deserve to be in charge of the Club after what happend last time he was manager, he does'nt have the right sort of qualities we need as he has a history of quitting when the going gets tough which is just what we dont need if we are trying to build. The start we had last season is more difficult than the one we faced this season and going into this season this new manager has been given over 100 million pounds, far better owners, a far more stable Club, players not on strike and nearly all fans showing blind faith and support even though he is clearly making mistakes, nobody is booing him, calling for other managers to come in or making his job more difficult unlike what the last manager got, he has absolutrely everything going for him and has been given every single bit of help and tools to do the job in hand. I will use your saying about " you not needing a full season to a pub player is'nt a premiership player " well what does that say about Dalglish signing Carroll for 35 million, do we really have our trust in any manager who does that, can he really be the right man judgement wise if he thinks Carroll is worth that, you only have to look at the other players he signed and for how much to see Dalglish is clearly not up to the job and his judgment is highly questionable, I personaly think the start we have made points this out as clear as day and is perfectly reflected points wise against the teams we have faced.
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I don't think its a diaster so far this season if we get a result at Spurs then back on track. But if we get beat interesting times. But thats football
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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Doesn't deserve is your opinion. You're entitled to that, but the owners, and all the players and most of the fans disagree.
He might quit. So what? Then we'll get a new manager. You don't even want him there, so why be bothered he might quit? you're not making sense here.
As I said, you don't read others input. You asked for a response, got one then ignored it. Hodgson recieved hardly any criticism after his first 4/5 games. He had bad owners, but so did Rafa, and he did a lot better than Hodgson. but don't pretend Hodgson was villified from the first game. He wasn't. It took a while, and a lot of mistakes on and off the pitch from Roy.
Personally I'm not convinced by the Carroll signing. At the time, I said it was a mistake, and we overpaid. He should have waited. It's a mistake in my opinion. But all managers make mistakes, it's how many they make and whether they have enough success to outweigh them.
As for not needing a full season. Kenny didn't get one, he came in January last year, and his form with Liverpool and that old team was top 3 I believe, or top 4. We're aiming for top 4, so he's shown he's capable. Hodgson put us in the bottom 3.
I am sorry I completely disagree with you, please if you can dig out some footage of our games at the start of last season and you will clearly see Hodgson getting booed in the second game against City then towards the end of the game fans chanting for Dalglish, the worst was the Blackpool home game when he made a substitution the crowd did'nt like and they chanted " You dont know what your doing " then started singing Dalglish's name the blackpool game was Hodgsons 7th full game in charge. These are the facts check them if you dont believe me and this is the reason why I cant accept your opinion that Hodgson was given " Hardly any critism " as you put it, the decision Hodgson was already made up by fans before the feller had even started managing the Club which was totaly unfair, in the end he needed to go but in January when he did leave, not in August when most fans decided.
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Well lets see. Last season under Hodgson:
5 points from 4 games
6 from 5
6 from 6
6 from 7 games
Yes if Dalglish manages to lose a point from the next 3 games, then he's in big trouble! o.k. but please take into account 125 milion pound spent, Club not in turmoil, players not on strike and sulking, all fans backing the manager and wanting him to do well, much easier start to the season and not being hit with every single thing you do or say with negative responses from fans, two points better off thats all Dalglish is even with all of the above, not a very good return now is it.
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Guys, for the Roy Hodgson situation we can put a full stop to the fact that Roy Hodgson was the wrong man for the club, and if Kenny was hired in the summer and allowed to buy his players, even with a limited fund I think we would have been better off.
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Guys, for the Roy Hodgson situation we can put a full stop to the fact that Roy Hodgson was the wrong man for the club, and if Kenny was hired in the summer and allowed to buy his players, even with a limited fund I think we would have been better off. Kenny Dalglish would not of fared much better than Roy Hodgson if he had taken over last season with the same owners, Torres sulking, Mascherano on Strike, Gerrard dissilussioned, hardly any money and forced to bring in your Poulson's and Konchesky type signings for the money he had available and all the fans against him wanting him to fail so he would be replaced, there is no way on earth Dalglish who has a habbitt of quitting when the going gets tough being that much better than Hodgson in the same circumstances. Dalglish only took the job on in January because it was a win win job, if he failed fans would still blame Hodgson and he also knew he would be getting loads of money of the new owners to spend, Dalglish would never of had the bottle to take the job in at the start of the season thats why he done the sh*thouse thing and only said he wanted the job after it was already offered to Hodgson, why did'nt he throw his hat into the ring when the toxic Benitez left, simply because he knew it was'nt a good job at the time and knew he was on a hiding to nothing given the situation the Club was in at the time, in and out the courts and that with massive turmoil both on and off the pitch.
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Guys, for the Roy Hodgson situation we can put a full stop to the fact that Roy Hodgson was the wrong man for the club, and if Kenny was hired in the summer and allowed to buy his players, even with a limited fund I think we would have been better off. Kenny Dalglish would not of fared much better than Roy Hodgson if he had taken over last season with the same owners, Torres sulking, Mascherano on Strike, Gerrard dissilussioned, hardly any money and forced to bring in your Poulson's and Konchesky type signings for the money he had available and all the fans against him wanting him to fail so he would be replaced, there is no way on earth Dalglish who has a habbitt of quitting when the going gets tough being that much better than Hodgson in the same circumstances. Dalglish only took the job on in January because it was a win win job, if he failed fans would still blame Hodgson and he also knew he would be getting loads of money of the new owners to spend, Dalglish would never of had the bottle to take the job in at the start of the season thats why he done the sh*thouse thing and only said he wanted the job after it was already offered to Hodgson, why did'nt he throw his hat into the ring when the toxic Benitez left, simply because he knew it was'nt a good job at the time and knew he was on a hiding to nothing given the situation the Club was in at the time, in and out the courts and that with massive turmoil both on and off the pitch. just proves how nuch garbage you talk, dalglish went for the job and was turned down last summer because they wanted to give the job to hodgsonand told kenny they wanted him upstairs. the worst decision that has EVER been made by the club. he did nt sulk but got behind hodgsons appointment, so get your facts straight. the man is a legend, hes won leagues as manager with liverpool and if thats not enough he took blackburn and won the league with them. class manager. unlike roy hodgson
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