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I don't expect us to challenge for the title but given the expectations Kenny raised last season - I'd say it's been a pretty lacklustre start - with our only really good performance being against a distinctly out of sorts Bolton side

I don't expect us to get anything from Sunday's game which will make it W2 D1 L2 - a woeful start for a team that thinks it can get back into the CL.

But let's hope the luck that deserted us there last season is a little kinder this time round - although we haven't had much of that so far this season

Top post wanted. Kenny is the mean reason we are dreaming once again. And don't bring this 100m spent up because we were virtually playing with spearing, kelly, robinson and flanaghan last season and were playing brilliantly. I will wait until the end of the season to criticise him.

That's not quite right though is it as our second best Premietship campaign was during Rafa's second season where we got 82pts anfd just missed out on the runner's up spot to Man Utd

That team had the likes of Zenden, Kromkamp and Morientes in it - and yet Rafa won more with those type of players than he did with Torres, Mascherano and Benayoun

i remember the year we actually challenged for the title when rafa's side was at its best. torres, gerrard, mascherano, alonso etc. we led the pack all season then fell in the final quarter. that was his 3rd or 4th year in charge wasn't it? closest we've come to winning it.

That was his 5th season and that was our best team but Rafa never won anything with them

As I remember that season, Chelsea got off to a flying start under Scholari - much like they did at the start of last season - which came to a shuddering halt when we went to Stamford Bridge and beat them on the day after the clocks went back

We then led from early November to early January but then wobbled from mid-Jan until late Feb - by which time Man Utd had overtaken us and we just missed out on catching them despite blitzing them at Old Trafford and turning out some other classy performances (5-0 v Villa I think)

IMO That was our best first 11 since we last won the title but as I said, Rafa never won anything with them so they won't be remembered

Then Alonso left and it all fell apart...

surely this thread is not turning into a mature discussion!? I am disgusted!

Agree with the initial poster!

It was Houllier who owes Gerrard special thanks for prolonging his Anfield career - not Rafa

Gerrard is so versatile a player he can play almost anywhere and still be the best player on the pitch - central midfield, right midfield, anchor midfield, behind the striker, even at full back where he played on a couple of occassions when he first came into the team

Gerrard hit his peak under Rafa certainly, and he did save his skin on a few occasions - but more so Houllier and especially during those last miserable 2 years 2003-2004 where if Gerrard didn't play well, neither did the team

If Gerrard really would have been thrice the plater he was for Rafa under Kenny then we would be discussing the best player ever (and ever likely to exist)

quite hard for a fan to offer a player some constructive critcism but theres critcism and theres just down right negativity. would rather see most fans at least acknowledge the player needs to improve and show a bit more support and patience rather than slate the manager, the players and the directors. its disrespectful to the club imo. everyone is entitled to their own opinion but purchasing a sky sports subscription, merchandise or match day ticket should not give you the right to join the 'prawn sandwich brigade'.

its from an episode of scrubs.

well said mate.
theres always gonna be miserable gits who have nothing better to do but moan tho. but im staying positive this year[/quote] ok fine no problem with that but why wasnt the same positivety given to the team and manager this time last year ? [/quote]

In fairness faz, there are 2 obvious main points to answer that:

1. The fans weren't already slaughtering Hodgson after just 4 games. He was given more time than that.

2. The MAIN point, being, that the fans were never happy with the appointment of Hodgson in the first place.[/quote] ok fair enough but what about the man city games chanting for benitez and dalglish ? and ok the fans dont want roy but no one knew it wouldnt be good and i think the problems at the club were a lot to deal with [/quote]

is that you roy???