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I'm with Lain on this. Jim, your examples of both what's happening at Arsenal, and what happened at Liverpool under Hodgson are extreme cases. Incomparable to the likes of some of the twats on here who come on crying and giving out sh*t about Dalglish, Comolli, half of the team's players, and anyone else they can think of to blame, with cries of 'crisis' after one bad result. It's pathetic and tiring. Slaps need to be administered, if you ask me. fair enough but people grying foul last season after 3 or 4 games and liverpool are only 2 points better off and the start last season was a bit harder a better arsenal which liverpool should have had all 3 points , city away , birmingham who at the time was a tough away game west brom at home . Can you not see how knee-jerk the reactions are though?? It's Stoke away - anyone who thinks that's anything near a 3-point banker needs their head seen to. The Brittania is a bogey ground not just for us, but for a lot of top teams. Personally, being realistic I would have settled for a draw going into the game, but a defeat was always a possibility. We should be aiming to win every game, but let's be real here - we're never going to win EVERY game. It's our first defeat of the season, but you can bet it won't be our last. Some of you people need to get real and get used to that fact, and stop throwing your dummy out everytime it happens. Stoke against our team player for player and the 125 million we have spent since our last visit there should be an away banker I will argue with anyone over that, City and United will both go to the brittania and win this season.
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Jimmy case
Cons – a tad too pessimistic and has a thing for Dalglish. So do I as it happens but I am a bit more chilled about him and any criticism is too early by about a year in my view.
Pros – he knows his facts you can’t deny that. I did not know Chelsea were the fasting growing fan base in the far east or their pre season far east games were attended more than ours. That takes some digging out. I know he is not popular but you have to respect that. And no I am not him before you ask!
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not a banker as in a given win..but certainly you would expect a team of the higher regions to have a good chance of winning there ordinarily despite the huff n puff of stoke they are not that good realy.
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Here's the problem JimmyCase. You don't understand football enough.
There are NO AWAY GAME BANKERS. Not for us, not for United, not for City. Both United and City will either lose, or draw away to a team of Stoke's standing/ability this year. probably many teams at that level.
Lets take a look at last year for United:
Wolves away (loss)
Fulham away (draw)
Everton away (draw)
Bolton away (draw)
Sunderland away (draw)
Blackburn away (draw)
Newcastle away (draw)
West Ham away in cup (loss)
And that's the champions, and there were other bad results that you would probably call bankers home and away that didnt' quite work. Take a look at United against Benfica tonight, or Man City almost losing at home to Napoli.
Stoke away, I'd expect at least a point, 3 if we have a good day, but we are away, so we might well lose. Arsenal away I wouldn't expect anything, yet we won. Football doesn't work the way you think it does.
So if you argue that Stoke away should be a banker, then I don't think you know what you're talking about. Did u see the team United put out tonite, am sorry but you must of been one of the very few people who did;nt expect Liverpool to win at Arsenal this season given the team Arsenal had out with injuries and suspensions and about two days after losing there captain, it was a banker mate and are you seriously telling me you never expected us to get three points against Stoke after spending 125 million pound since we last visited there, my my what more you want, since we lost at Stoke last time we have a manager most want, new owners who everyone is happy with serious money spent on the team and squad and we were so called unbeaten and playing with so called new found confidence and we could'nt beat Stoke City, behave yourself lad we should be winning teams like Stoke home and away maybe not easy but beating them none the less.
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it all points to kennys 4 bad signings unfortunatly.
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Can you not see how knee-jerk the reactions are though?? It's Stoke away - anyone who thinks that's anything near a 3-point banker needs their head seen to. The Brittania is a bogey ground not just for us, but for a lot of top teams. Personally, being realistic I would have settled for a draw going into the game, but a defeat was always a possibility. We should be aiming to win every game, but let's be real here - we're never going to win EVERY game.
It's not kneejerk though The Stoke game at the Britania was a massive test to see how far we have come. That fixture is far from a 3pt banker but we knew exactly what tactics they'd employ, played them off the park in certain parts of the game and yet stll got f*** all after they netted their controversial penalty Can you imagine Man Utd losing that game under those circumstances because I can't and it shows that even when we are the better of the two teams (as we clearly were against Stoke) we're still not good enough to convert that into a win tbh I'd be more encouraged if we had an off day and didn't perform More disappointingly after 4 games and playing fairly well we're still trailing Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea
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Chelsea in % terms are the fastest growing fansbase in the far east that is true, but don't let statistics fool you. to go from 1 to 2 fans is 100% increase -fantastic!!!
However to go from 10000 to 11000 is only 10% increase booo hiss!
or is it?
Chelsea barely scratch the surface out there and when we played the Thai 11 it was even mentioned that Arsenal just managed to sell out, LFC sold out in 3hrs and Chelsea tickets were avaialble on the day of the game - go check it out
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Can you not see how knee-jerk the reactions are though?? It's Stoke away - anyone who thinks that's anything near a 3-point banker needs their head seen to. The Brittania is a bogey ground not just for us, but for a lot of top teams. Personally, being realistic I would have settled for a draw going into the game, but a defeat was always a possibility. We should be aiming to win every game, but let's be real here - we're never going to win EVERY game.
It's not kneejerk though The Stoke game at the Britania was a massive test to see how far we have come. That fixture is far from a 3pt banker but we knew exactly what tactics they'd employ, played them off the park in certain parts of the game and yet stll got f*** all after they netted their controversial penalty Can you imagine Man Utd losing that game under those circumstances because I can't and it shows that even when we are the better of the two teams (as we clearly were against Stoke) we're still not good enough to convert that into a win tbh I'd be more encouraged if we had an off day and didn't perform More disappointingly after 4 games and playing fairly well we're still trailing Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea We are only 2 points better off from the same amount of games played than under Hodgson last season and we have spent 125 million pounds and had an easier start than last season, not hard to do the maths, those saying it's much better under Dalglish are clearly diluded, facts speak for themselves, look at the table in points.
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Can you not see how knee-jerk the reactions are though?? It's Stoke away - anyone who thinks that's anything near a 3-point banker needs their head seen to. The Brittania is a bogey ground not just for us, but for a lot of top teams. Personally, being realistic I would have settled for a draw going into the game, but a defeat was always a possibility. We should be aiming to win every game, but let's be real here - we're never going to win EVERY game.
It's not kneejerk though The Stoke game at the Britania was a massive test to see how far we have come. That fixture is far from a 3pt banker but we knew exactly what tactics they'd employ, played them off the park in certain parts of the game and yet stll got f*** all after they netted their controversial penalty Can you imagine Man Utd losing that game under those circumstances because I can't and it shows that even when we are the better of the two teams (as we clearly were against Stoke) we're still not good enough to convert that into a win tbh I'd be more encouraged if we had an off day and didn't perform More disappointingly after 4 games and playing fairly well we're still trailing Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea Sigh...  See Rafarendum's post from above: Lets take a look at last year for United:
Wolves away (loss)
Fulham away (draw)
Everton away (draw)
Bolton away (draw)
Sunderland away (draw)
Blackburn away (draw)
Newcastle away (draw)
West Ham away in cup (loss)
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We are only 2 points better off from the same amount of games played than under Hodgson last season and we have spent 125 million pounds and had an easier start than last season, not hard to do the maths, those saying it's much better under Dalglish are clearly diluded, facts speak for themselves, look at the table in points.
You're anti-Dalglish agenda is pathetic. Everyone's entitled to their views and opinions, and I genuinely believe that you think you have a 'clue', but tbh, you actually don't. Embarrassing.
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