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Yes you have a point right direction I cannot really quantify but neither can I say we are definately heading the wrong way. We are stuck with it though and lets hope we get results which has to be champions league. Henry made that loud and clear.

I know you are saying we are moving in the right direction Stanley but lets look at it a bit closer four games played three against teams even the most die hard fan would expect us to win in games against Sunderland and Bolton at home and Stoke City away and maybe a draw against Arsenal away that should of easily yielded us 10 points we are currently on seven so thats why I disagree with people on here saying it's an improvement, we should be at least 3 points better off as the start is a relitive easy one you would pick yourself.

I think anyone who expected us to get 3 easy pts from Stoke away needs their heads tested - it's one of the trickiest fixtures of the campaign for most of the big sides and I don't think anyone can say we didn't deserve anything from that game

We should have expected a win at home against Sunderland (who have got off to an awful start) and given Arsenal's state a couple of weeks back i think a draw is probably what we expected, so 7pts from 4 games against 2 tricly sides and 2 weak(ish) ones is okay

What makes it grating is that the other big clubs - ie: the ones we are meant to be competing with are all unbeaten, which means we are alrrady playing catch up all over again

Sorry have to disagree with you there I think a team worth over 200 million pound with aspirations of finishing in the top four should be able to beat Stoke City with Pennants, Crouches, Shawcroft and Rory Delap's of this world

But football's not like that is it. If it was there would be no point in watching it

With their players teams like Stoke haven't got a chance of beating teams like Liverpool (and Chelsea, Man Utd, Man City etc) by playing better football, so they use tried and tested tactics like getting 11 players behind the ball, being physical and getting away with it, and using the home crowd to trick weak-minded and inexperienced officials into making incorrect decisions - all three of which they did on Saturday and subsequently got the 3pts

It's not by sheer fluke that hardly any of the big sides came away from the Britania with 3pts last season - it's because Stoke focus on doing what they can do well - like Bolton under Allardyce and even further back than that teams like Wimbledon, a side that managed to stay in the premiership for almost a edcade despite having players who were unlikely to get into most championship sides

It's not as if Stoke played better than us - they were miles behgind but still took the 3pts

Is that not the beauty of football - even on an occasions like this where it's completely gone against us

If Dalglish is to be criticised or deemed a failure this season - it will be over far greater things than this. Such as getting rid of Cole, Meireles and Aqua - in preference for Spearing and Shelvey. These are the decisions that may come back to haunt him - not his banter in the press.