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I hope Pacheco gets his chance this season to showcase his talents.

Can't imagine all these youngsters wanting to stay in the reserves all their life!

i don't see that what you are saying is relevant to this - after all morientes scored goals for fun all over the continent but was a joke for us - voronin is the same and is proven to be not good enough for us

pacheco has performed well for the kids and reserve teams and has a ton of potential - voronin has no potential at all and is proven to be not good enough ..... that to me says that pacheco is the better choice for us

i still don't follow your point rafa - just because pacheco has yet to achieve anything does not mean he is not as good ........ he is a youngster that barca were desperate to keep hold of which is a huge achievement for a player of his age ...... i don't see barca having any kind of interest in voronin do you? yes voronin scored a few goals in a very open german league but pacheco has never played in the german league and so you can't use that as a point of comparison! pacheco has more ability than voronin will ever dream of having, that to me makes him a better player ...... your argument is suspect at best - by your reckoning we should get pele out of retirement coz no one has achieved more than him!

what you have said is exactly the sort of nonsensical reasoning that is holding back the youngsters from getting a run in the first team!!

trepie love the last bit of your post ...i don't think dani should be starting but he should be on the bench the big problem that all of our youngsters have is rafa hates the reserve league system

you are asking for evidence of something that is impossible for a kid to have - you are trying to compare achievements of a guy in his 30s to a young lad just starting out! your comments are ridiculous

i am basing my assessment on performances i have seen in english footie - you are talking about goals scored in other leagues ...... you must have seen that voronin is out of his depth in the prem so it is pointless giving him anymore games ...... whereas pacheco has not even had a chance despite looking good for the kids and stiffs

your comments are the kind of thinking that is holding back the kids - people looking at voronin and saying that he must be better coz he has performed well in the bundesliga and for the ukraine - they don't mean a thing when he is such utter dog sh*t in the prem ..... pacheco should get the place on the bench that is currently being wasted on voronin

btw why was fowler given a chance ahead of international strikers? and owen? because they performed well as kids ..... they didn't achieve anything until AFTER they broke into the team! so talk of pacheco achieving nothing is pointless ..... btw i am not saying pacheco is a superstar merely better than some useless lazy pony tailed tw*t that doesn't want to be here!

Guys, you each have your arguments.....

Pacheco is young and has plenty of potential, and deserves his chance in the 1st team, perhaps as a Sub....

Voronin is a good 3/4 striker to have in the team, given his "pedigree"....just not good enough for Liverpool's 1/2 striker.....

Agree with above? Both have their positives and negatives, but it seems Pacheco has the edge since he is:

1. Young
2. Wanted by top clubs including Barca trying to keep hold of him
3. From what we see, very skillful, creative, attack-minded playmaker, although yet to be proven at the very top level
4. Has potential to be even better given the right coaching

Agreed with the above, trepie and rafarendum?

the point is though rafa barca can't keep hold of 15/16 year olds as they are limited to what they can offer - hence why they lost fabregas and pacheco at that age

i do understand what you are saying rafa - and to a point i agree with you BUT he hasn't been given the chances owen, fowler, mcmanaman etc were given by his age because rafa just won't give a 16/17 year old a game except in extreme desperation ...... the clubs with the successful youth policies don't have the best players as kids, after all liverpool won youth cup after youth cup yet none of the players have made the team, while teams like man ure and shitty and boro produce a dozen gems ..... is it because their youth team players are better than ours? did everton get rodwell and rooney looking good by not picking them?? its simple and blindingly obvious that we are holding back our talented youth team players by giving them no chance of making the team! pacheco will not get to show what he can do as he will not get a game no matter what he does in the kids or stiffs

it worries me it really does - if my daughter was a son with the chance to join liverpool's academy i would turn it down right now ........ i can't see a hope in hell of any kid in there ever becoming a liverpool first team regular