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nothing to do with that at all joe - it was merely pointing out that everyone is so down on carra when he, of all players, has always given everything for this club ........ despite growing up a bitter!

where everyone is questioning carra i was merely pointing out that gerrard is being seen as immune to criticism even though he has been one of our worst players this season ...... i was wondering why all the criticism is of carra while no one is mentioning how poor gerrard is??

joe one day you will stop hero worshipping players and realise they are just people too - some of them are horrible people (i can name a lot of recent players in particular in that group!!), while some are lovely ...... or maybe its just true what they say about never meeting your heros! but personally i just think i grew up and stopped being the starry eyed kid i once was and you seem still to be

I wasnt refering to you either, it was more general comment than anything else.
I have no heros, only i like the character Mel Gibson in BRAVEHEART:) LOL

when i met bruce grobbelar in my teens, i wasnttoo thrilled by him, and thats when i learnt that lesson you refering to.

Same goes for guys like Erni Els, Retief Goosen and Trevor Immelman, i hate that trevor immelman after i met him in Sun City South africa.

I like people with heart, with attitude, and "DONT MESS WITH ME" a great example would be Wayne Rooney, i know he a manc, but its his character, his hard headednis that i like. People who stand up and everyone listens. Yea

how can you respect rooney? he not just signed for man ure but worse he deliberately sold his story to the s*n in order to hurt as many people as possible - including people that were supposed to be friends of his! the guy is a nasty little [oops] with no respect for others

i have to say that when i met bruce as a little kid he was fantastic with me ..... despite it being an awkward time as it was just after the Heysel disaster he took a lot of time out for me ..... as did quite a few of the others, despite the swarm of press there a fair few pushed them aside to let me have my pic taken with them

but anyway i understand what you are saying but you have to realise that while we come on here and vent our frustrations when players aren't playing well, on the day of the match we are totally behind the lads till the game is over ...... well i am anyway ..... well i suppose that should be was as work and family means i don't get to go all that often anymore ....... better to vent out your frustration here than on the saturday (or sunday, monday etc) at anfield

What he do in the Sun? I dont respect him personaly, just that hard arse attitude of his, i suppose that attitude is what makes him who he is.

Like Muhammed Ali, yea.:) lol

big mouth with attitude:) yea.

I don't hate any of our players (only our ex hero scumbagmancratladowen comes close, and we don't even mention Diouf) I just have a rather large disliking of Gerrard for the arrogant cocky person he appears to be, NOT as a footballer though.

Carragher is one of the best. Going off the boil a bit now, but will always be one of Anfields favourites, right up there with Fowler.

growls, how is he arrogant? its a first time i hear this of stevie

As stated in my post....as he appears to be. Should have added IMO, sorry.
It's the fact that he rarely smiles, and comes across in interviews as being overly self important.
Dunno really, just don't like him as a character and the way he presents himself. The recent court case didn't help his image either, oh, and remember the Chelski on/off/off/on transfer shananigans in 2005?

he is very arrogant mate - like i said earlier he has always been told he is something special and it has gone to his head ...... great player yes, but great person? no, not at all

he is one of those who says 'do you know who i am?' as soon as someone doesn't kowtow to his demands (and i mean demands coz he is not one for asking!) .... shame really coz it is also stopping him utilising his ability to the fullest ...... he believes he is better than he is .... let's face it he would never have got in the team of souness, case, mcdermott etc

oh and to answer your question about rooney - when he left the bitters to sign for man ure he sold his life story to the s*n to print - he could have sold it to any paper but he chose that one, despite the lies they printed about hillsborough and knowing how hated it was on merseyside ...... it was a deliberate kick in the teeth for all those bitters that had stood by him and defended him when he chose to sign for man ure ..... a complete lack of respect imo ...... yes he may have ability as a player but as a person he is scum and all his photos taken with random people in the street will never change that

Dalglish is an example that all young players should follow when it comes to treating fans with respect - while he was managing newcastle they were staying in a hotel one night before a home game and a couple of geordies me mam works with found out which hotel it was they were staying at and went for a bevvie in the bar hoping to bump into a player or two ....... anyway they walked in and King Kenny was sat at the bar having a quiet drink on his own and the pair of them went over to him and asked if they could buy him a drink ...... Kenny laughed and bought the pair of them a drink and had a chat with them for about 5min before he excused himself but asked them on no account to leave coz he would only be 5 min he just had to pop out, ordered them another drink then left the bar ....... just as they were finishing their drink he came back in with the whole of the squad and made them all sit down and have a drink and sign autographs for the two lads ..... that is what you call a bit of class!

Wow!!!

That Stevie is on my cellphone wallpaper kissing the badge after he scored at trafford:) Lol. He is on my laptop desktop wallpaper:) lol

i suppose because im not the "local fan" i wont realy have the info about the Sun, i know what the Sun did, but not about the Rooney part.

Do you guy see Stevie around Liverpool? Like i mean do you guys know where his home is? Do you see him at resturants and movies on nights out?

Im sure because he is around the city, he has a reputation yea:)

I reckon Torres is our generation Dalglish in terms of manners and ethics:) Then again, i havent seen him around.....

Can't afford where Gerrard goes! Dalglish has made a big impact at Kirkby though. My lads football team train up there one night a week during the winter as someone who works there runs the team. Carra was there a lot last season as he was doing his badges & even presented the team with trophies for the 2nd year running in the summer. Gerrard is at the academy a lot as well, probably down to being club captain, but gets a lot of praise for going there.