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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
I find it hilarious that any self-proclaimed adult Liverpool fan can actually think that Raul was a better player for us last season that Lucas was. That's the sort of observation i'd expect from a 12 year old.


i know but there are a couple of players who can do no wrong, the silly thing is it's players that have next to nothing to deserve such high praise, (meireles and aquilani)

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Don't get me wrong, Raul was a good player for us last season, but he wasn't as good as some people are making out. I'll be really disappointed if he's sold. I get the feeling that either he or Aquilani will be heading out the exit door before the window shuts though. Most likely Aquilani, imo. He didn't even make the squad for the Sunderland game. I can't see both being sold.


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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
I find it hilarious that any self-proclaimed adult Liverpool fan can actually think that Raul was a better player for us last season that Lucas was. That's the sort of observation i'd expect from a 12 year old.


I'd actually say the complete opposite

Lucas had a good season last term - and that was welcome by all fans - but let's face it the reason he got the award wasn't because he was our best player (Suarez was, despite only being at the club for less than hsalf a season) but because he had improved the most - from, it has to be said, a very low base

Prior to last season Lucas had been pretty awful and when he was first integrated into the team he was always the weak link - like Traore was when he donned the Red shirt

He's improvement has proved people like me - who never thought he'd make the gtade - wrong, but to say he's better than Raul Meireles - who impressed in his one season at the club - is a strange statement

Comparing an attacking midfielder (Meireles) with a defensive one (Luycasd) is a diuffucult job anyway but it really is beyond me if people consider Lucas a better player than Meireles - he isn't

Meireles is a far better overall player - I don't think that can even bev debated

Next you'll be saying Henderson is better

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Originally Posted By: House

i know but there are a couple of players who can do no wrong, the silly thing is it's players that have next to nothing to deserve such high praise, (meireles and aquilani)


And I find it hard to fathom why you like nothing more than constantly slagging off two of our better players (like Meireles and Aqualani) whilst saying nothing about the many inferior plauyers in our squad - £20m man Henderson being the most obvious example

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Lucas was our best player last season because the players around him were worse. He is good but we can always do good with some one else or some competition in that position.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
Originally Posted By: BarLennon
I find it hilarious that any self-proclaimed adult Liverpool fan can actually think that Raul was a better player for us last season that Lucas was. That's the sort of observation i'd expect from a 12 year old.


I'd actually say the complete opposite

Lucas had a good season last term - and that was welcome by all fans - but let's face it the reason he got the award wasn't because he was our best player (Suarez was, despite only being at the club for less than hsalf a season) but because he had improved the most - from, it has to be said, a very low base

Prior to last season Lucas had been pretty awful and when he was first integrated into the team he was always the weak link - like Traore was when he donned the Red shirt

He's improvement has proved people like me - who never thought he'd make the gtade - wrong, but to say he's better than Raul Meireles - who impressed in his one season at the club - is a strange statement

Comparing an attacking midfielder (Meireles) with a defensive one (Luycasd) is a diuffucult job anyway but it really is beyond me if people consider Lucas a better player than Meireles - he isn't

Meireles is a far better overall player - I don't think that can even bev debated

Next you'll be saying Henderson is better


Okay, Jim, you need to pay greater attention. I said Lucas was a better player for us that Meireles last season. I did not say he was a better player than him. They play different roles, so a comparison isn't even worth wasting my time on.

I simply disagree with your assessment of Lucas. The only part I agree with is when you speak about how much he improved - yes, he improved a great deal, and that's full credit to him for having the character, determination and ability to do that - but in my opinion, regardless of any previous reputations etc, he was our best player over the course of the season. If we're judging players on half a season, then okay - Suarez. F*ck, why stop there - if we're judging people on January-February, then okay - Meireles. I'm talking about our best player of the season. A season starts in August and ends in May.

As for Henderson - not sure why you've brought him up.


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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
Originally Posted By: House

i know but there are a couple of players who can do no wrong, the silly thing is it's players that have next to nothing to deserve such high praise, (meireles and aquilani)


And I find it hard to fathom why you like nothing more than constantly slagging off two of our better players (like Meireles and Aqualani) whilst saying nothing about the many inferior plauyers in our squad - £20m man Henderson being the most obvious example



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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
Originally Posted By: House

i know but there are a couple of players who can do no wrong, the silly thing is it's players that have next to nothing to deserve such high praise, (meireles and aquilani)


And I find it hard to fathom why you like nothing more than constantly slagging off two of our better players (like Meireles and Aqualani) whilst saying nothing about the many inferior plauyers in our squad - £20m man Henderson being the most obvious example



exactly what has aquilani done to be revered as one of our better players? - thats right nothing, actually nothing at all. he has never put a foot right in an lfc shirt.

i think henderson is a good player, i wouldn't have signed him i've said on many occasions we should have signed another winger instead of henderson the difference between me and you is you can't get over his price.

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Originally Posted By: House

exactly what has aquilani done to be revered as one of our better players? - thats right nothing, actually nothing at all. he has never put a foot right in an lfc shirt.


In terms of ability Aquilani is one of our better players. He hasn't done anything in a red shirt because he hasn't been given the chance.

Rafa signed him but didn't play him; Hodgson was ordered to send him on loan and Daglish clearly isn't interested in even having him in the squad - give that he is the obvious replacement for the injured Steven Gerrard but didn't even make the squad to face the feeble Sunderland

All I'm saying is that after his pre-season displays he deserves a chance

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I'm not saying Lucas is a bad player

Had we had this debate a year ago then I would be but between then and now he's proved that he can cut it in a Liverpool shirt - but I still think the only reason he got the award was because of his marked improvement in the second half of the season

But you coukld apply that to about half the squad - Kuyt, Johnson, Meireles, Skrtel, Maxi Rodriguez, Spearing, even Torres until he went to the jew-baiting Nazis he now loves so much

There performances all improved after Kenny took over and I'd sday Kuyt, Meireles and Suarez could all make a case for being our best player last season

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