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Originally Posted By: matt b
perhaps 2/3rds of us do not bury our heads up our arses and are realistic.?? Nothing to do with not supporting the team. The question was simple "Can we challenge for ther title?" it only requires a simple answer.
Seriously the "In Kenny we trust" and Blind faith crew need to wake up, this is not a fairy tale book, anyone that slags of another fan for daring to air a view that does not fit in with the above groups needs to sort themselves out.


Lighten up, sunshine.


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Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Just read that Arsenal are near signing Mata and are also trying to get Benzema, Eden Hazard and Chris Samba!

This is one of the teams we need to beat if we want to play any CL football next year!

Tough one that!


If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.

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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Just read that Arsenal are near signing Mata and are also trying to get Benzema, Eden Hazard and Chris Samba!

This is one of the teams we need to beat if we want to play any CL football next year!

Tough one that!


If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.


Since Kenny took charge of the team, didn't we get the 3rd highest amount of point out of everyone in the league - with only Man Ure and Chelsea ahead of us? That means under Kenny's leadership, we amassed more points than Arsenal, City and Spurs - and that's without any of the strengthening during this summer's transfer window (which is yet to be completely, remember), and with Arsenal still having Cesc and Nasri. Yes, i know a season is 38 games long, but Kenny has made the difference, that can't be disputed.

These are optimistic times to be a Liverpool fan, yet some people point blank refuse to be optimistic, because they seem to see it as a weakness, or opening the door to being hurt again. I am in no way shape or form someone with "blind faith" or with my "head buried in the sand", but i am optimistic, and will continute to be so. If some of you people want to stay miserable, then that's your problem, i suppose.


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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.


Exactly!

And the source is the Swedish Arsenal web site, so there could be at least some credibility attached to the news!

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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Just read that Arsenal are near signing Mata and are also trying to get Benzema, Eden Hazard and Chris Samba!

This is one of the teams we need to beat if we want to play any CL football next year!

Tough one that!


If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.


Since Kenny took charge of the team, didn't we get the 3rd highest amount of point out of everyone in the league - with only Man Ure and Chelsea ahead of us? That means under Kenny's leadership, we amassed more points than Arsenal, City and Spurs - and that's without any of the strengthening during this summer's transfer window (which is yet to be completely, remember), and with Arsenal still having Cesc and Nasri. Yes, i know a season is 38 games long, but Kenny has made the difference, that can't be disputed.

These are optimistic times to be a Liverpool fan, yet some people point blank refuse to be optimistic, because they seem to see it as a weakness, or opening the door to being hurt again. I am in no way shape or form someone with "blind faith" or with my "head buried in the sand", but i am optimistic, and will continute to be so. If some of you people want to stay miserable, then that's your problem, i suppose.


I was interested in what you were saying until I saw you using bold and calling me miserable. Come on mate you can do better than that. The post was good and constructive bar that. I am not miserable etc, yes kenny made a big difference, a difference that suarez also contributed to. A difference that 'change' often does. But one swallow does not a summer make. Just because he came in and reversed our fortunes in a very bad league does not mean that is a trend that will always happen. Perhaps I was too definite in my statement above but City, Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal (if they get those targets) will have far superior first 11s to us which means we would have to rely on this Kenny x factor more than I would like. I am not miserable, I do despite my earlier statement still hold out hope for that top 4 spot but arsenal are the most likely team to be fighting us for it and if they sign all of those players, they will have really jumped ahead of us in quality. If they don't sign those players, I actually fancy us to take 4th spot.

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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: van Gogh
Just read that Arsenal are near signing Mata and are also trying to get Benzema, Eden Hazard and Chris Samba!

This is one of the teams we need to beat if we want to play any CL football next year!

Tough one that!


If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.


Since Kenny took charge of the team, didn't we get the 3rd highest amount of point out of everyone in the league - with only Man Ure and Chelsea ahead of us? That means under Kenny's leadership, we amassed more points than Arsenal, City and Spurs - and that's without any of the strengthening during this summer's transfer window (which is yet to be completely, remember), and with Arsenal still having Cesc and Nasri. Yes, i know a season is 38 games long, but Kenny has made the difference, that can't be disputed.

These are optimistic times to be a Liverpool fan, yet some people point blank refuse to be optimistic, because they seem to see it as a weakness, or opening the door to being hurt again. I am in no way shape or form someone with "blind faith" or with my "head buried in the sand", but i am optimistic, and will continute to be so. If some of you people want to stay miserable, then that's your problem, i suppose.


I was interested in what you were saying until I saw you using bold and calling me miserable. Come on mate you can do better than that. The post was good and constructive bar that. I am not miserable etc, yes kenny made a big difference, a difference that suarez also contributed to. A difference that 'change' often does. But one swallow does not a summer make. Just because he came in and reversed our fortunes in a very bad league does not mean that is a trend that will always happen. Perhaps I was too definite in my statement above but City, Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal (if they get those targets) will have far superior first 11s to us which means we would have to rely on this Kenny x factor more than I would like. I am not miserable, I do despite my earlier statement still hold out hope for that top 4 spot but arsenal are the most likely team to be fighting us for it and if they sign all of those players, they will have really jumped ahead of us in quality. If they don't sign those players, I actually fancy us to take 4th spot.


mybloodisred, i know i quoted your message, but that wasn't intended to be aimed at you. I do get the impression that there are people that post here that just prefer not to be positive. That's just a mindset. It takes all sorts though. But as i said, i wasn't calling you miserable. Also, what's wrong with using the bold function?

I do agree with your points above, and i've actually pretty much said the exact same thing in another thread. It will be very difficult to finish in the top 4 or 5, but i certainly don't think it's impossible, and i think a great deal of it will depend on what happens in the transfer market between now and deadline day - i get the feeling there are some fireworks yet to come. Kenny's not gonna do it all by himself, but i do believe he makes a huge difference.


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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
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If they get all those targets and hang on to either nasri or fabregas than we are not getting into the top 4 with the current first 11.


Since Kenny took charge of the team, didn't we get the 3rd highest amount of point out of everyone in the league - with only Man Ure and Chelsea ahead of us? That means under Kenny's leadership, we amassed more points than Arsenal, City and Spurs - and that's without any of the strengthening during this summer's transfer window (which is yet to be completely, remember), and with Arsenal still having Cesc and Nasri. Yes, i know a season is 38 games long, but Kenny has made the difference, that can't be disputed.

These are optimistic times to be a Liverpool fan, yet some people point blank refuse to be optimistic, because they seem to see it as a weakness, or opening the door to being hurt again. I am in no way shape or form someone with "blind faith" or with my "head buried in the sand", but i am optimistic, and will continute to be so. If some of you people want to stay miserable, then that's your problem, i suppose.


I was interested in what you were saying until I saw you using bold and calling me miserable. Come on mate you can do better than that. The post was good and constructive bar that. I am not miserable etc, yes kenny made a big difference, a difference that suarez also contributed to. A difference that 'change' often does. But one swallow does not a summer make. Just because he came in and reversed our fortunes in a very bad league does not mean that is a trend that will always happen. Perhaps I was too definite in my statement above but City, Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal (if they get those targets) will have far superior first 11s to us which means we would have to rely on this Kenny x factor more than I would like. I am not miserable, I do despite my earlier statement still hold out hope for that top 4 spot but arsenal are the most likely team to be fighting us for it and if they sign all of those players, they will have really jumped ahead of us in quality. If they don't sign those players, I actually fancy us to take 4th spot.


mybloodisred, i know i quoted your message, but that wasn't intended to be aimed at you. I do get the impression that there are people that post here that just prefer not to be positive. That's just a mindset. It takes all sorts though. But as i said, i wasn't calling you miserable. Also, what's wrong with using the bold function?

I do agree with your points above, and i've actually pretty much said the exact same thing in another thread. It will be very difficult to finish in the top 4 or 5, but i certainly don't think it's impossible, and i think a great deal of it will depend on what happens in the transfer market between now and deadline day - i get the feeling there are some fireworks yet to come. Kenny's not gonna do it all by himself, but i do believe he makes a huge difference.


Fair enough them mate, I am sure there are some people that prefer to just not be positive as there are in life. And the bold function is a bit of a pet peeve of mine in fairness, always feels like someone is trying to patronize.

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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Fair enough them mate, I am sure there are some people that prefer to just not be positive as there are in life. And the bold function is a bit of a pet peeve of mine in fairness, always feels like someone is trying to patronize.


Haha, fair enough, it's not intended to be patronising, i just use it to stress pronounciation on certain words rather than using CAPS.


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Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Fair enough them mate, I am sure there are some people that prefer to just not be positive as there are in life. And the bold function is a bit of a pet peeve of mine in fairness, always feels like someone is trying to patronize.


Haha, fair enough, it's not intended to be patronising, i just use it to stress pronounciation on certain words rather than using CAPS.


Haha oh god stick with bold. Caps does my head in

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Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Originally Posted By: BarLennon
Originally Posted By: mybloodisred
Fair enough them mate, I am sure there are some people that prefer to just not be positive as there are in life. And the bold function is a bit of a pet peeve of mine in fairness, always feels like someone is trying to patronize.


Haha, fair enough, it's not intended to be patronising, i just use it to stress pronounciation on certain words rather than using CAPS.


Haha oh god stick with bold. Caps does my head in


No love for caps AND bold then?? Lol, bold it is so! laugh


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