Well Jim I have suffered as much as you over the past 21 years with the exception of our Cl runs and win, also the odd cup win! But we are at the beginning of a rebuild and a new season, we have a new tried, tested and trusted manager and coaching staff, we have signed 5 good new players, we have new owners who have shown they know what they are doing and are prepared to spend and wan to win things, the competition are having their own problems! Is there nothing here to give you hope Jim? I gather from your posts that you are a long time football fan, if so, surely you know better than to let a preseason result with 2nd and 3rd choice players influence your view of our prospects?? Even Fergie and Rooney rate our chances of a challenge this year, can you not see the glass half full Jim? In view of all the above developments, surely we are entitled to be positive about our prospects and not be mired in all this doom and gloom before we even kick a ball in the new season!