KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Is the famous "big 4" no more?

I imagine you have enough things to be disappointed about mr N.ob S. UK

What's real to you, might not be real to others buddy, so realist isn't a correct discretion. You seem more like a pessimist. Our glass is half full, while yours is half empty. We were the second best team once Kenny took over. So that is maybe what us optimists are working with.

Well I am sorry I just dont go along with this second best team nonesense, when Dalglish took over there was nothing to play for in the league only pride, so there was no real pressure on any of the games apart from maybe the Spurs one where we needed to win. The real test will start against Sunderland onwards when there will be something on the games. I have said all along, a good season for me and one that I would be extremely happy with would be a top 6 finish and to win one of the Cups, I dont think thats too low a target or one that's above our station, thats a fair one for a Club like ours and given it's a new project and will take us time to settle.

I think anything below top 4 is a failed season. We need that champions league spot to give this 'new project' a decent chance.

rubbish getting in the champions league is not sucess when has finishing 4th been sucess , this is the big problem that is a hangover from the benitez era when finishing in a CL place was classed as sucess and not taking the domestic cups serious , winning a cup or two is sucess .

I like Red NS posts but he needs to up the optimism level just a tad and I have told him before. It’s just a point of view and if you were to stake your house on where Liverpool would finish then 5th or 6th is where you would pitch your bet. But we are not doing that and every fan should try for the best they think they can realistically achieve. And for me that’s fourth spot and I really believe with some luck and a good start we can do that. But Red NS is correct about Dalglish as you will know from your own work experience it’s very easy to repair a situation someone else has made a mess of. Much harder to progress to another level from your own efforts and that’s the position Kenny starts from now. In fact Kenny’s performance measurement starts from this August not last January. And make no mistake the expectations are we will improve not stay level with last season.

RED NS I think we will all agree with you on those sentiments. I think you make a good point when you say the team had no pressure because they were out of all competitions, that is very true and the true test will indeed commence against sunderland.

Second point is that you have to understand everyone on these forums except maybe Growler has said a top 4/ top 6 finish along with some silverware is an ideal start to this new project. The only person that has mentioned winning the big one is Growler and whether he is just saying that to pi$s you off or its real its his own opinion. But other than that everyone has the same expectations as you so I don't know why you and some others here are angry and seem to think we are all wrong. We are liverpool fans, we need to be on the same page for this to work.

Yeah because I can see, that if Stoke won the FA cup, that would give them a lot of credit, and draw a lot of interest. You talked about the new project, and the best way a project is going to develop is if we are playing in a big European comp. Not saying that a cup wouldn't be great, but champs league would give us more power.

i think stoke got a lot of credit for getting the final and only getting the final for stoke has upped there profile , and so as far as your concerned finishing 4th is success and it doesnt matter if you win anything as long as a team finished at least 4th ?

since we are rubbish! and only deserving to be in 6th or 7th,id say if we got 4th its more successfull!