KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Is the famous "big 4" no more?

Obviously for a number of years, Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and of course Liverpool were the top 4 teams in England.
I know we've hada couple of what I'd call 'blips' such as finishing a mere 6th last season but I still think we belong in that select group. Is that unreasonable?
I hope the big summer spending we've done already will do the job but I just can't see the threat of Man City and maybe even Spurs getting any weaker. Maybe Arsenal will drop out with the departure of Fabregas and Nasri imminent.

There is a big 6 now, Spurs and City are right up there fighting for that fourth spot and if we're realistic that's the spot we're aiming at. Sure we could finish higher but that's clearly not the aim this year, would be a bonus of course but I think it's very clear that's on everyone's mind.

Arsenal will surely re-invest if they did lose Nasri and Fabregas, sure they're tough to replace but I wouldn't say losing them will guarantee they'll drop without seeing who comes in to replace them.

If Fabregas and Nasri leave I believe it will make some difference but with their ideal signings in replacement being Hazard and Thiago they will still be there abouts, especially with Ramsey back to fitness and Wilshere well above his years.

Don't forget they got Wilshire coming through who is more than capable of replacing Fabregas. I don't think they will be weakened at all. But as kopite said, there is no longer a top 4 it is now a top6. And maybe in 5-10 years time we will call it the top8 because teams are catching up to the top teams fast.

i dont no why but i got a feeling ramsay will end up being a better player then wilshere. i really rate that ramsay boy, shame we didnt buy him instead of hendo

man city are in the top 3 never mind the top 4 and have the spending power to be there for the forseeable future , liverpool have a long long way to go to get back into a CL a position and it will take longer than many think and i think people should let thing take its course instead of rubbish like were gonna win the league and a couple of signing will make liverpool top 4 , i think even dalglish wouldnt think it will happen straight away .

Like many people said it is now the top 6 and not top 4 anymore, its more competitive now, however I think we have every chance of getting into the champions league this season. Dalgish signed players like no manager before, because Dalglish is buying the right players at the right place, and the range of players is greater, now we just need that foreign flavor that will give us the cutting edge.

Ramsey is another great prospect for them. Would probably got him if he was in a weaker team instead of hendo.

how do you know there the right players ? i think houllier must have thought diao, diouf and cheryou were the right players , and benitez thought dossena, voronin and degen were right players , just see how thing play out its going to be just as tough as any other season and a lot of luck and work is very muich still nedded by liverpool to make any sort of improvment , and i think it best to judge dalglish from this season not the half a season last season when there was no pressure on the team to produce now there is pressure lets see how dalglish performs now.

I think the top four of United, Chelsea, City and Arsenal are set in stone for the next few seasons at least, Chelsea and City because of there money, Arsenal because of there manager and because they simply dontfinish out of the top four anyway and United because they are United. I think Spurs are slightly closer to them than us because of the squad but I think both ourselves and Spurs are quite a bit behind, I would go as far as to say there is more chance of Everton catching us and Spurs than us and Spurs catching the fourth place.