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Originally Posted By: craney91
Progression

First of all, I’m very happy that Charlie Adam has "signed" of course the medical and personal terms will be a cert, personal terms it seems, he has always wanted to play for us and medically he should be fine.

I think we can all safely say with confidence, Charlie is now our player FINALLY laugh ...let’s just hope the wage issue does not become a problem (Like Doni’s apparently did)and everything goes through as smoothly and easily as possible.....So we can swiftly get any other business done and that the players can train and learn together in pre-season, ahead of a sole league campaign that being totally honest with you (and bias as ever) we WILL be challenging for.

One thing is for sure, I'm glad we got him, instead of the scum or anybody else for that matter. Very excited, this sort of player is right up my street.

Intent

I think this also signals our intent and that the management are fully aware of the situation and problems we had last season, even after The King’s return.

I think I’ve said this before on here that in certain games last season it was clear to me that on occasions our strikers looked like they were playing in a different game to our midfield, there were no links at times. Even when Gerrard was "fit" and playing, the problem was still there, lesser, but still there. So I feel this will go a long way to "solve" one of the main problems we have had since Alonso left.

Transfer talk and my opinion/main point

Hopefully, now we can push on and get a classy winger or winger(s) to rubber stamp our intent for next season.

I expect finally a CB and a LB to conclude our transfers, anything other than that; I will be shocked to say the least. The CB and LB, I feel will not simply be bench warmers. I have a feeling they will go straight into the first team whoever they are, because although it was brilliant to see the youngsters get their chance towards the end of the season under Dalglish. The situation only really came about because of the injuries, leading to Dalglish having to put trust and faith into them to perform....and didn't they just! This won’t mean they will simply disappear at all, I still feel they will be given their chance by Dalglish 100% and rightfully so.

Now to my main point;

With the Adam signing, it got me thinking that surely some of our center midfielders/attacking midfielders will be on their way out?

Don't forget we have signed Henderson also, whilst I would love to maintain a midfield like we have now and whilst this is the sort of depth we need for all areas on the pitch, I don't think players like Meireles, Lucas, Aquilani or Spearing** are going to pick their game up that much to be able to nail a spot in the first team every game, ahead of obvious (Dalglish favorites) in Gerrard and Adam. To me it says one thing, signing Adam and Henderson is an improvement.....but at who's expense?

Personally I can see us flogging Meireles (Unfortunately) and Aquilani for both decent money and looking to invest that into another player we desperately need on the wing. But as Comolli said (on the Johnson interview...and if we take his word as gospel) we are not looking to sell our best players/assets, I believe Aquilani has stated that he wants to stay at Liverpool and I cant hear anything negative out of Raul Meirleles, only that "one rumour", but nothing official as such.

I could be just reading too much into it all, but all these midfielders who play in roughly the same position’s being brought in, surely means some of them will be sold? If not (and the players all get a fair crack of the whip and are happy with the healthy competition for places) then I can say with confidence as we once sang before,

“We’ve got the best midfield in the world” again.

Now as I’m here I might as well give my 2 cents on Stuart Downing.

It makes sense to me that if Villa are playing the "hard to get" card for let’s be honest, a player that can cross a ball. If we stick in there, we are going to be robbed again for around £20m, get out of there now I say. Let them keep him. Go for Mata and/or maybe Lennon and forget all about Downing. Those 2 are better than Downing for now and in the future (Mata more so, of course at a price)

Hopefully we see at least one marquee “shock” signing before the window closes, we still have a long way to go. But if we was to sign Mata, I will jizz out, I feel he could be the missing jigsaw piece (as we said all those years ago for Harry “always injured” Kewell) laugh

Optimism

I really feel now as a team, if the season started tomorrow and we did not sign any more players we would challenge, if we can get a Mata and/or Nzogbia or Lennon, together with a LB and a CB, I can safely say, we are more than ready and up to it. Especially with the lack of Europe for us this coming season, where we can concentrate on League matters.

Your Man United's, your Chelsea's, your Arsenal's, your Tottenham's all have one thing we don't next season....and that's Europe. Yes, while we would all love to be back in the CL this season, Europe really drags the season on, produces injuries and fatigue also. We don't have that "problem," lets take advantage of it! Besides would we all honestly be looking forward again to Europa League football next season, if we did qualify for it?

The Owners

Oh and I’m really pleased with the owners so far, a breath of fresh air they are in my eyes, we needed severe help behind the doors more than anything, but now we have the stability and the full backing of Dalglish and the obvious investment into class players, I can say it looks like we will be returning to the glory days very soon, I get this vibe about us now, our team and how it’s being run, so differently from any team “above us” right now. Chelsea don’t know whether their coming or going, Man United are in obvious decline + it seems there is no relationship between management and board (just debt money given for players) Arsenal are staring at the fact of loosing their best players, failing to replace them with any real quality and Tottenham have a situation where nobody wants to play Europa League. Bless.

Hopefully we take advantage of every one of them next season and run away with it ay?

Thoughts?

- Dan

PS: If you have taken your time to read all of that, have a cookie grin

Great post there Dan, makes a refreshing break from the doom and gloom we so often encounter from 'LFC fans' on this forum!

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I'm surprised we haven't been linked with Simon Kjaer this window. We've been linked with him many times down the years, and he actually said in the past that he'd love to come to Liverpool and form an all-Danish CB partnership with Daniel Agger. Also on the subject of CBs, Christopher Samba isn't English, he's French :P I'd like Cahill or Dann, but it's not looking good on either front at the moment, is it? Aside from those two, i really dunno who we're gonna get.

The list of players that should be sold, that was mentioned above - i'd agree with them all aside from one player: Aurelio. I agree that the club need to be ruthless and get rid of ageing/injury-prone players, but i think we should hang onto him for another season. Even if we sign a new left back (which should be a top priority, i'm sure) that still leaves us light there. Robinson is a good prospect but he's too inexperienced at the moment to be first choice - which is likely to end up happen, and Aurelio's fitness isn't the most reliable thing in the world.


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First of thank you to all of you who took the time to read my post and reply/contribute accordingly. I tried my best to keep it as short as possible, but as usual the small minority did not even take the time to read it and get involved.

I find it hard to keep a topic short, sorry. I tend to fall into detailed explanations and opinion. But in my opinion, I don't think the post was that long at all. I thought it would be better to include everything in a single thread/post and touch on everything that has been crossing my mind.

Instead of like some of you said, "creating a new thread with a one liner every 20 minutes." Unlike some, My aim is not to create 20 threads of day to spark discussion in hope of getting a free membership.

The thread was created to spark discussion between respectful Liverpool fans and by the looks of it, it done just that.
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I really feel that Dalglish and co. are really interested in Stuart Downing and wont give up until a transfer has been forced. We've been knocked back a few times by Villa now and the money involved is nearing £20m. We should take note and move on. He really is not that good nor worth the money. Take the hint and move onto some who is worth the money now and in the future. It makes sense to me, I dont mind them pushing through deals and being persistent with them. As it shows intent and confidence in the player, however, they need to be of a certain caliber. While Stuart Downing is a decent left winger, who does a job, crosses the ball and occasionally beats the last man on the wing. We have to look at the positives another player for around that money (or less) would bring.

Mata would offer so much more than just a cross and Nzogbia (for less) would do to.

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Good post. Just reading a few other rumours around and a few were quite interesting.
LB- Lyon LB Cissoko (sorry for the spelling) for cash plus Ngog,
CB - Scott Dann (Jamie jnr), Kajeer and Sakho, what about Micah at city as they have added more defenders?
Wing - James Milner had a poor season last year and with city buying more on the wings would this not be a good opportunity to get a class player who just needs a Kenny cuddle to bring him back to his best? Juan Mata, Matt Jarvis, N'Zogbia, Downing (cash plus Joe Cole).
ST - Also what about that Argitinean from Napoli (cash plus Aquaman)or that French u21 Roux

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Originally Posted By: aldo
Kjaer is a very good player, can defend as well as attack, has good mentality. I think he can even play in the CDM if needed


I know we were linked with Kjaer in the past nut didn't he sign a 4 year contaract with Wolfsburg last season? He just made the move their so I doubt he will be leaving so soon. I think he might have actually signed for the german side in January. I could be wrong though.


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I stand corrected.

I can see us signing a goal keeper (Probably Doni) and maybe a striker, depending on the David Ngog situation.

as-well as a gimme, left-back a center-back and a winger or 2*

I'd love to see Mata but I got a feeling we will be getting Downing.

Didn't that Christian Zapata claim in a NP that he had agreed a deal with us?

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Zapata just agreed 5 yr deal with Villareal

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Zapata never made the claim - the newspaper said he did. 2 very different things.

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I do9n't get how the fee touted for Downing is £18m yet that for N'Zgobia - a more dangerous playuer - is £10m

It would really sum our activity in this summer's transfer market as things currently stand if we did shell out £18m for Downing and then Villa got N'Zogbia for £10m - as looks likely

How can a better player be worth less money?

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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
I do9n't get how the fee touted for Downing is £18m yet that for N'Zgobia - a more dangerous playuer - is £10m

It would really sum our activity in this summer's transfer market as things currently stand if we did shell out £18m for Downing and then Villa got N'Zogbia for £10m - as looks likely

How can a better player be worth less money?



Whether we like it or not , English players do have the inflatable transfer fee due to the fact that the Premier League wants each club to register certain amount of homegrown players in the squad.


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