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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
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Your point about training with Gerrard & Co, and being coached by Clarke and Kenny is a valid one, but there's nothing like first team playing experience, and you don't get that from just training. It's not like he's in his mid twenties. If he's gonna be in the reserves all season then i'd rather see him doing well at another club and giving Kenny food for thought for the next season.


What is the evidence for what you say?

Where did Gerrard go on loan? Carragher? Fowler? McManaman? scumbag Owen? Martin Kelly broke through and did well, he's played only 7 games at lower level and a few months compared with Shelvey's 2 years and 49 games


All those players you mentioned were exceptional as youngsters, aside from maybe Carra, who had to work his way into the fold, and play in a number of different positions before establishing himself in his favoured position. For every player you can mention who it worked for, there are 100 who it didn't work for. Most of those you mentioned broke into the team at a convenient time when there was a place in their position becoming available. What players did the ones you mentioned oust out of the team? Look at the players ahead of Shelvey that he'd have to oust. These are different times.


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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
Is Shelvey not exceptional for his age? If not, then it won't matter much where he goes. Kenny gave him plenty of chances, and I think he'll get chances this year if he stays.


I wouldn't say he's exceptional for his age - not in the same way those other players were at the same age, to be fair. I think he'll be a top player, and really like him. I just think it could be better for him to get a full year of playing every week under his belt. I hear your points though. At the end of the day, we're just fans looking in from the outside, and i trust that whatever Kenny decides will be the best for Shelvey.


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Shelvey's had enough 1st team experience whilst at charlton. I think whats more important for his progression now is to be involved with the 1st team. Training with the likes of Gerrard & Carr on daily basis and being involved in matches days is going to help.


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Originally Posted By: murph75
Shelvey's had enough 1st team experience whilst at charlton. I think whats more important for his progression now is to be involved with the 1st team. Training with the likes of Gerrard & Carr on daily basis and being involved in matches days is going to help.


you both have a point, i personally think a loan to a prem club would be better. the quality of the oposition is so much higher than the Championship. Norwich, QPR or Bolton would be perfect for him. Wiltshire grew dramatically at Bolton.

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Shelvey's had enough 1st team experience whilst at charlton. I think whats more important for his progression now is to be involved with the 1st team. Training with the likes of Gerrard & Carr on daily basis and being involved in matches days is going to help.


you both have a point, i personally think a loan to a prem club would be better. the quality of the oposition is so much higher than the Championship. Norwich, QPR or Bolton would be perfect for him. Wiltshire grew dramatically at Bolton.


I'm sure they'd be one or two premier league clubs who'd be more than happy to have him for a season. Same with Pacheco. We've seen Arsenal, Man Ure & Chelsea loaning players to Premiership clubs in recent years, don't know why we don't do it.


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