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Fowler had it
Owen had it

and at a much younger age then Carroll and Henderson...

I thought this was going to be the start of a new era where we didn't allow ourselves to get fcuked over in the transfer market ..... but this is not just depressingly familiar behaviour from a club that has squandered so much money in the last 13 years, it worse.

Yes people will scream that Carroll is the businees and just what's is needed for the PL, but remember the shouts about Heskey.

As for henderson - he's no better than spearing, david thompson or danny murphy.

I do understand your point. Fowler and Owen are good examples. More often than not you can tell a great footballer from the first moment. Steve Macmanaman was another example I used to watch him in the reserves.

Talking of depressingly familiar......

Another thread complaining about Liverpool signing players.

Paul Konchesky,Christian Poulsen,Soto Kyrgiakos,Brad Jones.

I reckon LFC should sign our Murph, just to create a birof banter in 'ere more than anything else.

Better than Poulsen I would say.

Thought I locked this,hmm... couldn't be arsed now.

just been on the phone with Kenny & Comoli. just waiting for the image rights to be finalised. Should be announced on sky sports news tomorrow.

Agree totally but in all honesty one of the first times I saw Henderson play on MOTM in a game for Sunderland in season before this last one, he got given the ball on the right flank and skined a defender and delivered a unbeliveable ball onto the foot of a player about 10 yards from goal with the keeper in goal and Henderson about 25 yards from the by line for them to score.

At that moment I guinenely thought of Gerrard when he hit a 40 yard pass in one of his first games for Lfc, and told myself he's going to be a regular starter for England in 3-4 years time.

ive said many times i dont blame the players for the price tags. I am however shocked that we bought carroll for 35 million. I dont give a shiteee about this explaination that the torres deal had anything to do with the price. By spending that money on 1 player we shot ourselves in the foot because clubs can now dictate a price to us knowing we buckle.

After getting Suarez we didnt really have a desperate need for Carroll last season in my opinion. That 35 million as well as the 16 on this other kid could have been spent more wisely.

Young is available for 16 mill the same price as this 2 season wonderkid. And if we pay anything over 10 million for Dowining then im convinced Labour are in control of LFC.

You have to think Carroll and Henderson were bascially the star players at their respective clubs when we signed them, and when at their old clubs Newcastle and Sunderland were top 10 teams. Given our lack of strenght in depth of quality and the fact their young it's fair to assume currently their not worth there price but in 2-3 years time when they both still have another 3 years left on their contract the ability that they'll be playing at would make them star players at clubs who would finish in 4th-6th instead of the current mid table ability.

Given both won't be star players for us as there will always be another Suarez/gerrard/torres who will be the star of lfc in 3 years time, you have to imagine the equivalent of both of them playing at the level of a star player at a current top 4 club e.g Modric

If you didn't get any of that, cause it was hard for myself to explain what I was saying, in addition bascially in the club books Carroll's transfer fee is 35 mil but he signed a 5 and half year contract and in the books it's viewed at 6.36mil a year (35/5 and half years=6.36mil). If say Carroll were to leave in 2015 with 1 year left on his contract any transfer fee over 6.36mil will equate to a profit in the clubs books. Meaning we're looking at a massive profit when we do look to offload Carroll or an even bigger profit if he stays on for more than 5 years as the transfer fee will be divided by how long he stays.

Similarly Henderson has signed a long term deal and considering he signed a 5 years deal with Sunderland last year, 20 mil/5 = 4mil a year in the club books. So if we did sell Henderson we'd be looking at another massive profit on him.

The first time I saw this abouth the club accounts was when someone posted a document of how clubs do their accounting etc etc and the document said about Babel's transfer and how we made 4 mil profit by signing him for 11.5mil and selling him for 6 mil when he signed a 5 year deal and left with 1 year left on his contract. It all meant in the books Babel's signing was equated to just over 2 mil a year so when we sold him for 6.5mil with only 1 year left that was roguhly 4 mil worth of profit in the books.