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Imagine If Hodgson Was Buying British Mediocrity...
I'm going to write a mail now which will easily anger the (easily angered) Scousers and my fellow Liverpool fans. I expect to be met with furious anger as the Redmen come out searching for me with firey sticks with their half-burned effigy of Roy Hodgson being held aloft like a trophy (with it being as close as we get to a trophy these days). But I'd like to stress I disapproved of Hodgson being appointed last summer, I agreed he was the wrong man for us and I was happy when he was finally given his marching orders. His press conferences were moronic, attitude defeatist, tactics out of date and submissive and expectation level in the basement.

However it seems to me Liverpool's two managers in recent months are treated different by the fans for doing some of the same things. I'm seeing fans on message boards say "we cant criticise Kenny, he has more experience than us, so shut up!" funny, we had no issue criticising the experienced Roy back in the summer and more violently in December. Obviously results speak for themselves but it is interesting how we've gone from a boss who can do no right into the exact opposite. Roy was never afforded that luxury before a ball was even kicked.

Roy Hodgson spent £4million on an experienced left-back and everybody howled with anger, threw stones and tantrums and called Roy a brainless idiot, as poor as the signing turned out I'd liked to have seen the reaction to Roy Hodgson spending £20million on an unproven kid that we DONT NEED. Imagine if Roy Hodgson had sanctioned a £35million deal for Andy Carroll to replace Fernando Torres (that one would've melted the internet). Imagine if Roy Hodgson had taken Fernando Torres off with 15 minutes to go at Old Trafford in the FA Cup (would've been painted as the sole and only reason we lost). Imagine if Roy Hodgson had presided over a goalless 180 minutes with SC Braga which sealed our elimination. Imagine if Roy Hodgson used Glen Johnson at left-back for the second half of the season. Also, Hodgson was kicked for using Raul on the right, yet Kenny was let off for the same thing. Imagine if Hodgson was in charge for the early games with Carroll where we did nothing but hoof it long. Imagine if Hodgson spent £20million on a kid we dont need and then set about pursuing a Championship Scottish midfielder for four times his true value that we also don't need. Imagine if Hodgson's number one winger target was an overpriced average Stuart Downing, but yet Ashley Young go to United without even showing an interest. Imagine if Roy Hodgson had stated that "your birthright doesnt get you a game here" (quote from Dalglish) to then in June state your targets have to have a British passport and you will pay quadruple the odds regardless of value or ability. Imagine if Kenny Dalglish had come out with innocuous comments about Pacheco, I dont think he'd have got the "f**k off football terrorist" remarks Roy got on F365 for the same thing.

Obviously results speak for themselves. Kenny recorded top four form with Glen at LB and Raul on the right, and that's what matters, Roy nearly got us relegated. Roy did a lot of things wrong (oddly his 25 points from 20 games would've seen us finish with 47, the same as his West Brom side finished with and only one point above Fulham last year). The football under Roy was turgid and under Kenny it's much better. People will say "yeah but Kenny won games doing that!" yes you're right, I dont disagree and fair play to him but on a general note, making a general point having a fanbase which refuses to question a manager due to what he did 20 years ago is a dangerous game, just as dangerous as not trusting your manager at all. Kenny Dalglish may turn out to be yesterday's man chasing the early 80s dream, I hope not, but it's possible. But it's still interesting to see how the fans react differently dependant on reputation. At this rate I'm beginning to think Kenny wouldve even been praised for spending £5million on Christian Poulsen. Yes, yes you heard me.
Martin (YNWA)

I think regarding Kenny its called trust! hardly anyone liked Roy to be honest,that didn't bode well for him, FICKLE? granted! but not many had an ounce of trust for Roy!intuition is a strange thing,but can be useful! for Roy it proved fatal, as for Kenny, fans don't think Kenny can do well based on simple past success, fans know and trust Kennys capabilities that shows belief in him as a whole package.

What has roy won as manager or player that's why he was not trusted simple as that he fights relegation battles and mid table scraps and that's what he dragged LFC into he hasn't got it in him to win a title how you can compare him to Kenny is shocking

Agreed it's dangerous waters, but we all knew this when Kenny took the job we're all behind him to the extent that to question him is sacriledge and every one of us will be looking to Newcaslte appointing Keegan and Shearer as a warning as to what googly eyed optimism gets us. (a spot in the championship)

But for the moment everything is going extremely well, we can't quetion the transfer moves because they haven't kicked a ball for us yet.

Luckily for Liverpool we have the dreamers and we have the dooms day proclaimers both keep us on our toes and give us perspective.

Paul Dalglish when asked what if Kenny screws up:

"It's a possibility but what if it doesn't!?" If Kenny comes back and topples Fergie the FA running, Referee owning, complaining condescending hypocritical pr*ck it will be the things movies are made of

The main diffrence between the two is that Kenny actually knows what he's doing and has been far most successfull in football than Hodgson. Hodgson has done well in leagues that nobody cares about. everytime he's had his chance at a big club ie Blackburn at the time, and then Liverpool he's failed miserably. The last time he made major signings was whilst he was at Blackburn and he was hopeless then.

This is ridiculous, Kenny should of got the job last summer. Sadly the club was in trouble with the two cowboys. The only person that liked Roy getting the job was red nose!!!!. The man could not get any respect in the dressing room, Even from the players who wanted him there. He constantly criticized the last manager and blamed him on everything. Tried to change the training methods of the leagues best goalkeeper??? and wanted Liverpool to play a 0-0 game with the chance of sneaking a odd goal on the break

That's not we are all about, never have been. Houllier and Rafa played something similar but Roy was a poor version of both of the above. As for his signings, well they speak for them self, apart from the transfer work done by Purslow.The one good signing he did make only played good when he left!!

Kenny has united the club, the squad, and the academy. His signings are two early to be judged. I see your not naming LS in the transfers. Carrol has been injured since he arrived at the club, Next season will make or break him. It is also the new owners policy to buy young up and coming players. Kenny has also brought through youth, and if a seasoned England player has to switch sides so what.

I think the Hodgson's situation is mostly down to the unsuccessful era of Gillet and Hicks. He was not even the fan's choice if I was not mistaken. Not even as a possible candidate. But as we all know LFC fans are known throughtout the world as being the best at giving chances to individuals who are given the chance to be with the club , be it player , manager or even backroom staff. But honestly Roy made mistakes over and over again. The signings he made never adapted even unto his own ideas and formation. Even Raul Meireles was performing better when King Kenny was in charge.Maybe the signing of players can be blamed on those 2 cowboys who never gave him the money to spend on the right signing for his own ideas but if he thinks that those players , who were not known for quality or potential , cannot improve the team why does he buy just for the sake of buying? Might as well give the current youngsters the chance that they deserved. He can always refer to the Academy Director for advice on which youth player are ready to be given the chance in the first team. Kenny did the opposite when instead of panic buying for the left back position in the winter transfer window , he did a sensible thing in promoting Martin Kelly and John Flanagan and shifting Glen Johnson to the left. King Kenny even dare to play John Flanagan on the left once if I'm not mistaken. That's one thing that few of our former manager failed to do. Trust your players including the youth.


And one more thing that maybe [oops] off most LFC faithful is his comment regarding the lost to Everton during the away game. No manager would say that was our best game of the season up to that point even after losing , especially not to the bitter rivals. That's the breaking point for all the faithful LFC fans.
That's when all the trust and respect diminished to the thin airs. Just my opinion.


YNWA...

Lot of truth in the article, a lot of people saying trust kenny because he is kenny. All managers run the risk of being sacked kenny's no different, If he gets it wrong then they will boot him out, its not just the fans who decide when the manager gets the boot although i think the fans were a big part of hodgson going. As other people have said kenny improved results with more or less the same team, hodgson seems to have done the dirty on liverpool i dont like the guy even if we were relegated under dalglish at least we would have tried to win a match. Regarding the signings i am not particularly happy but i will wait until september before slagging the signings. If we were to get 2 big name signings who were big names and quality then we will talking (perhaps) a bout what quality in depth we have and kenny can rotate the squad and we still win blah blah, I am a bit anxidous about 20m including ngog for a player who hasnt yet done much and carrol i have never thouoght he would work in a passing system but as a player he gives it his best.. But as I say its august /september and the start of the season when we can judge kenny on transfers, normally he is good in transfer market but he like all managers can make some duff buys

Who would you have instead of kenny? If we rule out fergie and guardiola and we also have to rule out wenger, hiddink, mourhinio .... who else would you have .... porto have been successful but I watched the uefa cup final and it was like watching paint dry. he's the heart and soul of the place and there's nobody out their to give us the psychological lift we need to get us back to the top of the PL. Yes he's a lot to learn about europe, but who cares ..... the league, the league, the league!!!

Roy Hodgson was brought in by owners who didn't have a clue. Nothing against the guy but he managed big clubs and failed, he specialiaty is managing smaller clubs and playing long ball and sticking 11 men behind the ball.

Kenny played and managed at the highest level....and won. Went to blackburn and won the premier league, roy took over and got them relegated.

I agree Roy wasn't given a chance but he was never the right manager for Liverpool.