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look soft a*se Xabi Alonso was our most important player and was'nt world class just like Fabergas is Arsenal's most importamnt player and is not world class either there is a difference between the most important player in a team and the best player in the team. The way Liverpool were set up to play was to get Alonso on the ball as much as they could so as to get the team moving and playing in the way they wanted, you have seen this season what happens when you use a different player in the same system. Man United's style of play centre's around Michael Carrick in the same way ours was around Alonso, if you put Darren Fletcher or Anderson in there it would'nt work and thats why he is United's most important player, he is the one who dictates the tempo of Uniited's style of playing and has been just as important in there success as Ronaldo or Rooney, the same way as Alonso was when we won the Champions league and F.A.Cup all those years ago.

The term World Class doesnt exist then.

He is the best player liverpool have had in a very long time, he is one of the most influencial players LFC have had for a very long time. He is a great and influential captain.
He single handedly unplifted that feelings of all his players and fans at that ataturk stadium in turkey.

He repeated his leadership skills at the FA Caup against west ham the next season.

Who was the last liverpool great to have a impact and influence on the team before Gerrard?

What about those Greek players after they won Euro championships, would you say they are world class?

alrite then if you dont need the medals then Le Tissier, Gazza, Bryan Robson, Les Ferdinand, Robbie Fowler and Des Walker were all world class as well because as far as I know they only won one league championship medal between the lot of them and that was Robson who was only a squad player at the time. Think that shows your argument up for what it is and thats a load of rubbish, all those players were very good in the own right but because they never won the major honours they will never go down as being the very best of there time.

Your missing the point medals are presented for recognition of your achievements and thats what it's all about. Every player that enters the game's goal is to win something it's the same with all sport and when you win things it means your the best a medal recognises this and thats what sets players apart. Why was Zidane the best player in the world at the time, because he won leagues in Italy and Spain,a couple of European Cup's, a World Cup and a European Championship do you honestly think he would be regarded the best if he just won what Gerrard has won. Kenny Dalglish is quite rightly regarded as being Liverpool's greatest ever player, The King, but John Barnes had more footballing ability than King Kenny but never won five leagues and three European Cups like Kenny did so he will never be regarded as better. Robbie Fowler for me was the best finisher I have seen, could score any type of goal but the man will never ever be regarded better than Rushie, I seen Rushie and Fowler make there Liverpool Debut's so I seen both, and if Fowler would of won the same trophies Rushie did then he would of been regarded as better. So you see it's all about what you win and Steven Gerrard has chose to stay at a Club that will not provide him with a platform to reach the heights his undoubted ability he has and that is his own fault, not the team, not the club and not the fans fault, Gerrard has about three seasons left in him to win the league and am afraid he wont be doing it at Liverpool and he deffo wont be regarded as World Class until he wins the games biggest honours.

Mate, there is no doubt that Gerrard is world class and he has the medals (except the premiership) to prove it.

We never did say that Gerrard is up there with the very best. Our opinion is that he can be considered to be one of the best ever to play for an average Liverpool side since the halcyon days.

Cruyff never did win the World Cup but he is still a demi-god in Holland. It is all preception and opinions mate. We respect yours.

so Souness, Daglish or George Best should also have changed nationalities to Brazilian so they could have become the 'best' and won the world cup?

perhaps winning something/ anything with the club they love means more than any award/accolade they can get by being on the payroll of another club.

like any job, there are two types of footballers IMO and greatness spans both

there are the 'career' footballers - footballers who have a career path and will move to win tropheys and awards

the are footballers who also play for the love of their club


its the same with other professions - i bet we all know people who are love their jobs and companies they work for and others who just use it as a stepping stone.

two very different aproaches but neither are wrong

Yes thats exactly right what your saying and I agree. The point I am making is that to be the very best in the world you have to map your career out in a stepping stone way thats what all the greats do. Zidane started at Marseille he knew he knew that no matter how much he loved the club they were never gonna provide him with the platform to reach the top so he moved to Italy, Van Basten did the same, Dalglish, Maradonna, Gullit Rivaldo, Eusebio all moved to play in better stronger leagues and bigger clubs who could parade the fantastic talents they all possessed, it's the way all great players plan there Careers. There have been some unbelievably lucky players who are the best and have been able to stay at there home town club they supported because there Club was already the best or able to provide them with the platform to win the biggest prizes am talking players like Maldini, Raul, Cryuff and Franz Beckenbauer. Steven Gerrard once he has finished his career will be a Liverpool legend yes and quite rightly so alongside the likes of Sir Roger and Sir Billy not to mention your Ray Kennedy's, St John's, Ray Clemence, McDermott's, Case's and Stevie Heighways, but he will still go down alongside players like Shearer and Totti who stayed at the clubs they loved instead of doing what was right for there career's these players can never be regarded as the best in the world because they were'nt brave enough to gamble and move but instead took the safe way out where they could'nt fail unlike the worlds greats who did gamble.

but my point is... being the best and being regarded as the best are two different things

if you want to be regarded as the best then you'll measure yourself against others who have been regarded as the best.

if you're not bothered about being regarded as the best then you wont care BUT that doesnt mean you aren't amongst the best.

if you quietly go about your business at a very high standard then others will want to play with you too.

swings and roundabouts but essentailly i'm saying you dont need to play for Real, United, Milan etc to be the best footballer

being the best and most decorated are two very different things too