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Ah Christ Jim, thats a very negative line you put there regardless of the price paid you can't say that Carroll, Suarez and Henderson are only "half decent" players! Also your item no.1) attributes motivations to players that I don't think you can justify. In addition your last point about seeing "another mid-table finish next season is very negative giving that the transfer window is not even officially open yet! For me I am confident of a top four finish (had Kenny been appointed early enough we would have made it last year} next season. My only gripe is that I want 1st place not 2nd, 3rd or 4th!!! unrealistic many might say but I'm worn out with the waiting, damn it!!

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I actually expect Jones to get a decent amount of games, but at holding mid along with squad duty on the backline. He is only 5'11 I read, quite short for an English CB. Must be quite mobile if he plays holding mid.

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Originally Posted By: Annefield58

Ah Christ Jim, thats a very negative line you put there regardless of the price paid you can't say that Carroll, Suarez and Henderson are only "half decent" players!


I never said that about Suarez.

I'm still struggling to believe how good he actually has been for us and just hope he can keep it up but he would have come in regardless of whether Daglish was in charge or not

I remember being quite dubious when Houllier was signing the likes of Hyypia asnd Henchoz - and they certainly worked - but evben allowiung for inflation they cost a fraction of what we are paying for Carrol and Henderson - too largely untested players who we have spent a colossal £60m on

That cannot be justified - not when much better players like Sneijder (world class) and Van De Vart (almost world class) cost a fraction if that

Carrol and Henderson are good young English players. But at a combined cost of almost £60m they arguably represent the worst bit of business (certainly the most risky) LFC has ever done, and everyone else on this forum would be saying so were it not for the fact that these two signings are associated with Daglish - who for quite understandable reasons is beyond criticism

Of course we can omly really comment once business has been concluded but i don't believe we'll get this much talked about marquee signing, and the early signs - payin
g waaay over the odds for untested players and being rejected by anyone half decent left, right and centre - couldn't be more worrying

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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
I remember being quite dubious when Houllier was signing the likes of Hyypia asnd Henchoz - and they certainly worked - but evben allowiung for inflation they cost a fraction of what we are paying for Carrol and Henderson - too largely untested players who we have spent a colossal £60m on

That cannot be justified


er? 35 + 16 = 51. What cannot be justified is your mathematics. You also point out that you were clearly wrong before about players signed by the manager. What if you're wrong again? What possible justification do you have for doubting the manager now?

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He's a doubting tonez.


That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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Jim, the examples you use are players who only want CL games. We cant be in a market for a Schneider type player so why even bring up his value? First things first. The barcas of the world get players imploring them to bid ala Afellay for bargain prices. Look at Ozil, was 15mil and he is superb, but with a catch, he only wanted Real or Manyoo. Does it make other clubs deficient because they had money but didn't spend on him? Depends on the player too.

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Cute.

He's alarmist, that's what. Kenny spent more than 10m on a player this guy never heard of, and now it's all doom and gloom. The rapture was last week. Get over it already!

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So if Chelsea paid us 100m for torres would you be happy that we spent 85m on carroll? Of course not. We should pay what the player is worth as that dictates a remaining budget to spend on others. This crap about "we will spend 15m less on carroll" only came about after the deal was done and the value was ridiculed. It was a poor attempt to disguise last minute rushed spending and put the focus on chelsea instead of us. Yourself aside, it can't have fooled many people into thinking that AC is actually worth that kind of money.


That was the deal. Too fecking bad. Would you rather us have sold Torres and played Ngog on his own for the last 6 months. I think if the powers that be realised that Suarez would turn out so well then they might not of signed Carroll in January. BUT hindsight is a great thing to have.

I don't think AC is worth that kind of money but i do think when we are scrambling and have just recieved 50 mil for a player and only have hours til the window slams shut we are going to have to spend alot.

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Originally Posted By: mightyreds

It doesn't work that way. Doesn't mean chavs are stupid enough to pay 50m for torres means we must pay stupid prices for other players. 50m, if spent wisely, can yield a few much better world class players than carroll and henderson combined.


unfortunately it did work that way because Comolli stated that the deal was in place for Carroll = Torres sale price - 15. I don't agree we should have paid that much merely stating the deal.

Last summer people were happy with Jova and Cole, Poulsen and kuntchesky .. this summer people are unhappy with us spending to get in REAL talent.. don't get it personally

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Everyone knows Carroll at 35m is a ridiculous price. I still prefer seeing him in Red than in any other shirt. Also, consider that Spurs would be a bit more serious about signing him now than they were in Jan, having utterly failed to buy a striker and then watching their season implode as a result. Do you really think he'd go for under 30m now, worth it or not?

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