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What i hate about people crying about 35 million for Carroll, Comolli said in January that the deal was
"Liverpool will pay Newcastle 15 million less than what we get for Torres"
So even though that's what we paid its not really his value. Maybe 20 mil for Carroll in a normal market. So trust in the King.
We haven't signed Downing yet. And I have heard many managers before rumoured to get Downing, Barry etc So if Chelsea paid us 100m for torres would you be happy that we spent 85m on carroll? Of course not. We should pay what the player is worth as that dictates a remaining budget to spend on others. This crap about "we will spend 15m less on carroll" only came about after the deal was done and the value was ridiculed. It was a poor attempt to disguise last minute rushed spending and put the focus on chelsea instead of us. Yourself aside, it can't have fooled many people into thinking that AC is actually worth that kind of money.
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Too many pundits and 'experts' in here.  Let the REAL experts do the negotiating and purchasing I say. Faith, I have in them, that's why they are employed by LFC, not US lot. Feet up now. Chilled beer and the remote please 'Lain.  I agree Growler, I find it unbeleivable that LFC fans are unhappy with what we are trying to do. So many contradict themselves in their moans. 20mil for Henderson, well no its 16mil the same as UTD paid for Jones who is a defender and has about 25less prem games than Henderson and not even capped, yet they have the better deal? eh? Downing was voted best player last season and Young is considered far too in consistent and never really proved himself(Villa fans opinion, go check it out) UTD have as many problems as we have if not more, no goalkeeper, lost a great midfielder and having at least 10 players who will be over 30 during the season. lets expand it out t all the current top 4. Man city' - best player wants to leave(Tevez), Toure is on a drugs ban, Adebayor will be back - poor team spirit Chelsea - no manager, very old team, top striker struggling for form and they don't know how to play him. interfering owner Arsenal - a mass of players wanting to leave(Nasri, Fabregas,Clichy, Bentdner) no goalkeeper, poor defence and weak mentality. Liverpool on a high, no dramas, money to spend, top players to return and top players commiting to the club, attracting and being able to buy the best youth. So tell me again why you are worried?
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Nice article. I'd love to see today's equivalent prices for shevchenko and the "mighty" juan veron!!!!
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Too many pundits and 'experts' in here. Let the REAL experts do the negotiating and purchasing I say. Faith, I have in them, that's why they are employed by LFC, not US lot. Feet up now. Chilled beer and the remote please 'Lain. I agree Growler, I find it unbeleivable that LFC fans are unhappy with what we are trying to do. So many contradict themselves in their moans. 20mil for Henderson, well no its 16mil the same as UTD paid for Jones who is a defender and has about 25less prem games than Henderson and not even capped, yet they have the better deal? eh? Downing was voted best player last season and Young is considered far too in consistent and never really proved himself(Villa fans opinion, go check it out) UTD have as many problems as we have if not more, no goalkeeper, lost a great midfielder and having at least 10 players who will be over 30 during the season. lets expand it out t all the current top 4. Man city' - best player wants to leave(Tevez), Toure is on a drugs ban, Adebayor will be back - poor team spirit Chelsea - no manager, very old team, top striker struggling for form and they don't know how to play him. interfering owner Arsenal - a mass of players wanting to leave(Nasri, Fabregas,Clichy, Bentdner) no goalkeeper, poor defence and weak mentality. Liverpool on a high, no dramas, money to spend, top players to return and top players commiting to the club, attracting and being able to buy the best youth. So tell me again why you are worried? Top post, and well spoken. Going back into hibernation now until the end of July, and more than content to let the LFC management team carry on 'wasting' money on 'overpriced' players.  This seemingly incompitent wastefulness IS going to reward the taem and fans with a top 2 place next year btw.
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Top post, and well spoken. Going back into hibernation now until the end of July, and more than content to let the LFC management team carry on 'wasting' money on 'overpriced' players. This seemingly incompitent wastefulness IS going to reward the taem and fans with a top 2 place next year btw. Surely you mean top 1
What do you mean my birth certificate expired?
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Top post, and well spoken. Going back into hibernation now until the end of July, and more than content to let the LFC management team carry on 'wasting' money on 'overpriced' players. This seemingly incompitent wastefulness IS going to reward the taem and fans with a top 2 place next year btw. Surely you mean top 1 Correct, and apologies. By Christmas I meant. It's not so much just how good we are at present, it's the fact that all the other teams around us are simply trying to maintain their current somewhat 'iffy' performances of the last 12 months,by papering over the cracks, whereas LFC are actually building and improving in all areas. Just my opinions I hasten to add, but I DO feel a confidence that has been missing for quite some time.
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So even though since Kenny and especially Suarez arrived, we were top 4 point wise for a good run in the closing months. And then after a very good run which saw us in a Europa league place, we lost at home to Tottenham (i can't even remember the last time that happened in the league and I'm well into my 30s) and lost to Villa - a team we usually beat - which completely wrote off all the good work of the team to get there Suarez aside, it seems the only way we can get players to come to us is by offering huge sums of money and we seem that unattractive a destination Comoli's track record at Tottenham hardly inspires confidence and until we're in the cjhampions league that's goiung to remain the case and if we're signing players like Henderson for 320m (and letting the likes of the far superior Aquilani go for ha;lf that) we won't be getting there any time soon - with or without Kenny People forget that nearly all of the top sides underperformed last season - and when they come back stronger still after big signings in the summer, it would be folly to assume they will all makle the same mistsakes of last season Unless things change and we actualluy do sign some decent playerdes (Suarez being a good example) all I can see is us battling it out with the likes of Villa and Newcastle for a respectable mid-table finish
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Top post, and well spoken. Going back into hibernation now until the end of July, and more than content to let the LFC management team carry on 'wasting' money on 'overpriced' players. This seemingly incompitent wastefulness IS going to reward the taem and fans with a top 2 place next year btw. If you think we've got a chance of coming in the top 2 next season you need your head tested The blind faith from some of the fans is embarasing for any Liverpool fan over a certain age Surely you mean top 1
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Rubbish!
We underperformed more than any of the top 6 last season, the first half was a disaster.
We lost to spurs sure, with the help of a bogis penalty decision. But against Villa we had Gerrard, Raul, Agger, Aurelio all out. Those are our top players in their positions in our team.
Hence the reason we are placing depth in the squad, and good players that will get better for that matter.
Not even 3 weeks into the transfer market and people are doom and gloom already.
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Hello Fellow Redmen,
Was wondering if any of you feel similar to me in the following respects.
I'm concerned with the amounts of money we're paying. We seem to be paying for potential rather than the already finished article.
35M for Carroll? If he hits a run of form for the next 6 years of 20 a season he'd still only likely be worth 35M to some other team so I don't get that one at all.
I am glad he is ours though as I rate him but like so many of you I just thought the valuation was 10M (at least) too high, irrespective of the Winter Market mark up.
Henderson at 20M (with or without N'gog). Love the player, love the potential. Probably got ourselves the player closest in ability to Wilshere but 20M? At least 6-8M too much once again and I feel that the same applies again as to what I said about Carroll's future worth.
Really worried we're after Downing. 10M for a good player but he doesn't score enough (3 or 4 a season) and there in lies my other gripe.
United have better players than Downing already and are going to get Young who smashes in 8 - 10 goals plus loads of assists every season. He's not better than Nani and probably only a bit better than Valencia. That is proper strength in depth!
And instead of resting on their laurels they're adding Jones who snubbed us for them and maybe Nasri (I really hope that one falls through as that would be ominous).
Sorry to ramble on. Just a worried Red. I don't expect us to overhaul them anytime soon but don't want to get blown away and finish 20 points behind anymore, either!
We need to push through a deal for Juan Mata. Even though he lacks Prem experience he averages a goal every 4 games and assists loads, is fast, dynamic and has the skill to get us off our seats! The guy is David Silva but a version that can actually finish in front of goal!
Spend 25M on him, 5M on Clichy as rumoured and 8M for Dann who is at the right age for us (24) and ready to step in for Agger when he gets injured! And he's a scouser to boot so he will give us that extra 10% that others wouldn't (a la Carra).
Let me know your thoughts guys!
YNWA
I agree with your views on Mata and Dann, get them in asap, they will offer us a lot and Mata will offer us a new dimension to our play.... WIDTH. The Carroll one is a tough one. No way was he worth £35 million, but he was bought in the january transfer window, and i think he would be about £15-£20 million now if we bought him. But if he scores 20 goals a season for th next six or seven seasons then i would see that as money well spent. When purchasing young talent you dont know the outcome, it is how we deal with him and how we progress him. I still think a good purchase. Downing for me is a smoke screen to cover up another deal we are doing, just like James McCarthy was a smoke screen for the henderson purchase. Downing is a good player but not as good as what we need from an experienced player. Am sure we will see a few surprises
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