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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
#128435 02/06/11 10:27 PM
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Well after he'd sorted out the mess left behind by O'neil and got rid of the trouble makers and brought better players in who can play the game with the ball on the floor then Villa would have a pretty decent season.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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o neill won the european cup as player. houllier was he even a player? and i think u will find martin has more trophies.


Djimi Traore won the european cup as player. Means naff all.

In the premier league O'neil won the league cup twice and before I forget the peace cup with Villa.

Houllier won, league cup twice, the FA cup, the Uefa cup, uefa super cup and the community sheild. He also masterminded the French winning the world cup and European championships.

We could always bring in the argument what O'neil won in Scotland but lets be honest even you'd win the league up there Emp.

Houllier wins the trophie hall hands down. He also won these trophies with the ball on the floor and not kicking teams off the park.



well martin has more trophies ,which was the basis of your argument . so by your own standards you have just proven yourself wrong. playing the ball on the ground,heskey owen everyone else in their own half -the houllier nightmare time at lfc.


Um no he doesnt. If you want to bring what they've won in other countires then Houllier is still far more successfull.

You criticize Houlliers style of play but then laud managers like O'neil and Hodgson.

Emp velcro was invented for people like you.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Who's O'neil produced?

Its a well know fact that Houllier had a massive impact on France being so successfull.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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O'neil didnt produce these players.He bought them Emp.

James Milner always had the making of a decent player and you dont need to be a Bill Shankly or Brian Clough to realise this. As for Gareth Barry he was already established at Vill as their captain and couldnt wait to jump ship after a few years of O'neils negative football. Warnock isnt a gteat player he's a solid one. As for Richard Dunne he's just a fat alcholic.

Emile Heskey was the perfect foil for Owen for both Liverpool and England.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Of course managers produce players. Just look at Utd and Houllier was instrumental in the careers of Gerrard, Carragher and Owen.

Neil lennon is that the best you can come up with?

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Originally Posted By: murph75
Well after he'd sorted out the mess left behind by O'neil and got rid of the trouble makers and brought better players in who can play the game with the ball on the floor then Villa would have a pretty decent season.


i don't think there was any trouble when o'neill was manager. warnock has never been trouble for anyone and collins and dunne having an actual fight on the training ground houllier made a lot of mistakes at villa
Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Well if you call the players being allowed to do what ever they wanted and under acheiving year after year then i suppose they didnt cause any trouble. Houllier came in put an end to all this and they didnt like the fact the club was about to be run properly.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Why is it dumb to to want to force discipline at a club that has under acheived with all the money thats been invested in its players. Its 2011 not 1981.

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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What cup did they win?

The aim was the top four not 7th or 6th. Thats why Lerner refused to bank roll him any longer. Maybe the discipline problem didnt exsist when O'neil was there because um maybe there was no discipline.

Houllier would have turned that club into a genuine top 6 side year in year out with a whole host of home grown talent.

I love it when you run out of rubbish to talk because you start getting all personal.

Dummy?! is that all you've got?

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Re: Gerard Houllier steps down as manager of villa
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Originally Posted By: murph75


The aim was the top four not 7th or 6th. Thats why Lerner refused to bank roll him any longer.


maybe that was the aim but it was never going to happen, especially not as city and spurs were splashing the cash at that very time.

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