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I can still actually type out the name 'Masherano' without feeling the sudden desire to explode in a cloud of puke. mad sick
Think that sums up my feelings and answer quite nicely thank you. whistle

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
Masch for sure, even tho some fans didn't care when he departed but you can see that liverpool without the dynamic duo of masch and alonso are very weak in the midfield. I think he still left on a good note despite not wanting to play that game vs city.

Sadly he left on a bad note, precisely because he refused to play against City - which overshadowed not only his good performance against Arsenal, but his good performances in general since joining the club from his unhappy six months at West Ham

I always took the view that him and Alonso in midfield were every bit as important as Gerrard and Torres in the 2008-09 season and we all know what happened when that partnership broke up

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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
To be fair on Torres, I still respect him for what he did for liverpool, so many great memories, that win against Madrid, the win against Inter, all his fabolous goals for us, I wish him well but not against us.

But as has been said, Torres lost any sympathy some of our more forgiving fans might have afforded him by joining Chelsea, which went against everything he had written in his childlike book and whereas I do believe that Spaniard had at one time cared for the cliub in a way which Mascherano never had, you can't really hate anyone for joining Barcelona - every true football fan's second favourite club

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don't like anyone of them tbh. no need to explain how i feel about torres, i think most of us got the same feeling.

i respect what masch did yesterday but it's the same player who went on strike and refused to play against man city.


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Nice one Mascherano. Liverpool is still in his heart. Just like Alonso. He is far better than Torres due to the fact that he went to Barca. Any footballer that went to either Real or Barca get my respect. They by far are the second two top teams in Europe. First is still Liverpool for me. Hehehe...else i wont be here.


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i respect Mascherano he wanted to better him self and went to the one team he could do that at. When he left for barca he like most kopites could not see away forward with the 2 cowboy's in charge.

As for Torres i am happy he's gone i remember in the 04-05 season when owen went to win champions league medals (lol) the team pulled together and thats what we have done again

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i still prefer torres. never really liked masch much. i don't think any of us really know what goes/went on behind the scences but when you read quotes from carra and stevie, they seemed to be more resentful towards masch than towars torres. that's pretty much swayed my opinion.

having said all that, they're both professional footballers, from outside of the country, who play primarily for money, secondly for titles to add to their own name and thirdly for the club itself. i still don't get why anyone sees them as disloyal. neither grew up in Liverpool.

torres is from madrid and supported (and played for) atletico. he moved to liverpool for money and glory. same goes for masch (except his club was river plate).

and you know what, andy carroll is at lfc for money. he doesn't support us. it's just a job.

it's no longer a game, it's a business. players, agents and clubs all realised that. allegiance is what you gt with the stevie and carra's of this world. or terry at chelsea. the game has moved on. get over it.

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