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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Suarez just doesn't seem to have a powerful shot on him. Maybe he's just mistiming it right now or something, but he gets into really good positions and then ends up just not making the keeper work hard enough. Perhaps he's more concerned with placing it in the corner, and just isn't hitting his target? Dunno what it is, but every time he gets into the 18 yard box (and he gets there with the ball under control a phenomenal amount) I'm always hoping someone else is in space so that a simple layoff leads to a goal rather than having him hoof it into the stands or dink it into the keeper's arms. I mean, I want him to score, but I hate watching him whiff.


Have you seen any of his goals on youtube? Or even his goal against Sunderland?/


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Originally Posted By: thundyr

we have the forwards to put them to the sword, so why not assault them, especially away from home? Many of the goals we've scored in the past few games have come from opposition errors - we create so much pressure that the opportunities just present themselves to us


Absolutely

But it's been that way for some time

Under Houllier we had 3 England strikers - Owen, Fowler and Heskey

Fowler had lost his mojo somwhat by the time Houllier took sole charge, and we only really got one good season out of Heskey, but along with Owen they were still good enough to at least try and attack a team but away from home we just didn't do that often enough

The same was true under Rafa - and again that team was IMO at its best over the Feb-May of 2009 - with Gerrard behind Torres and Mascherano/Alonso controlling things in the centre of the park. And again we managed to beat Scum at OT 4-1 and the mighty Real Madrid 5-0 over two legs (which as two results go have to be amongst Rafa's greatest victories)

But in my honest opinion we've looked even better over the last 3-4 games.

Suarez has admitedly made a big difference but it's not because we're a better team on paper than Rafa's class on 2008-09 - we're not - we're just playing better attacking-based football, playing to out strengths, gretting at the opposition early and as we did last night, unnerving defenders into making mistakes (which Suarez in particular has been superb at)

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Have you not seen him tap the ball to the keeper from the edge of the 18 yard area more than once in every game? The goal against Sunderland was class, but not because it was a powerful shot; the keeper admitted he never expected him to try beat him at the near post from such an angle.

Look, I'm not saying he's rubbish - just that for all the space he gets himself into his final product (for Liverpool) has lacked something most of the time. As I said, maybe he's trying too hard or trying to be too clever instead of just knocking into the back of the net and thinking about his options later.

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Gerrard hasnt always got the greatest shot on. How many other players do you see blast it into row z? get of the lads back. Suarez can keep doing what he's doing. The boy is class just look how he took his goal lastnight. I cant beleieve your even saying this about him. Have supporters of this club recently turned into the biggest bunch of moaning bast@rds in the premier league?


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Was I moaning? I thought I was in the process of being surprised. Go figure.

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No it was moaning.


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Look, I'm not saying he's rubbish - just that for all the space he gets himself into his final product (for Liverpool) has lacked something most of the time. As I said, maybe he's trying too hard or trying to be too clever instead of just knocking into the back of the net and thinking about his options later.


His scoring record at Ajax suggests he's very clinical

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No it was moaning.


Really? Well, I wasn't trying to, if that helps?

Suarez is an amazing player, and everyone hoofs it into the stands or fails to make the keeper work from time to time; that's football. It's just that he's so good at beating the back 4 and getting into position to have a crack (and given his clinical record with Ajax) that I'm really surprised when his shot is wild or easily gathered. It's not that I don't think he has the ability, and I'm not upset he hasn't scored twice as many goals because he makes it so much easier for everyone else to score. Besides, 4 goals + 7 or 8 assists in 11 games is a fantastic return for a player in his first season in the EPL. I'm not moaning, I'm not "on his back"; I simply feel that he exudes such class he deserves a better return, but something's not quite clicking for him.

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I do believe he's trying to hard like you said in one of your earlier posts. Maybe once he's had a while to settle and learn the langauge well see a different Suarez.

What he does offer us differently to Torres is that he's much more of a team player and isnt to selfish to bring other players in.

I was only joking about the moaning bit. wink


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Originally Posted By: murph75
I do believe he's trying to hard like you said in one of your earlier posts. Maybe once he's had a while to settle and learn the langauge well see a different Suarez.

What he does offer us differently to Torres is that he's much more of a team player and isnt to selfish to bring other players in.

I was only joking about the moaning bit. wink


Haha - once he learns the language those linesmen will need earplugs. He certainly has a go at them when they rule against him, and I'm sure they understand not a word right now.

Torres is a totally different striker. Lethal, but needs space. Suarez creates space, but maybe left his shooting boots in Holland. Once he has a chance to go fetch them he will set the league on fire even more. The summer break is going to be the longest two months EVER.

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