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On the pitch time and again we have proved we are every bit as good as them yet they keep winning trophy's and we don't. Il go as far as to say we are badly run. while they have kept fergie and built a massive stadium, we have had 5 managers and still play in an old stadium. Question i am asking is, when will we ever get it right?

I don't think we should be focusing on what United have or don't have, we are Liverpool fans first,enemies of United second. We cant be always talking and talking about Manchester United, these are good times for us and the rebuilding process looks to be safe under Kenny, our football and stature is becoming more attractive and hopefully within two or three years we will be challenging teams for the title, regardless of who they are

Consistency mate. And why because they have a world class manager and I hate to say that. Over last 20 years they get the best out of the players and play as a team and have spirit and win one nil when they are playing bad. Thats how you win titles. Thats down to the manager the last one we had was Paisley. For me Fagan and Daglish were gaining the benefit from Shankly / Paisley in the main not totally. Thats why I think our chance will come when Ferguson retires. Whether its Kenny or someone else I don't know but we need to start building and preparing now.

One point I will make though is imagine how many champions league we would have won if the Heysel diaster did not occur

It did though !

They have Darren Gibso... Oh wait

1. Strenght in depth in their squad
2. Upcoming youth to replace old players or when massive injury crisis
3. Actual quaility in their strenght in depth that their sub midfielders and striker score regularly or at a descent rate, the spark that Suarez, kuyt have
4. Manager who gets it right tactically and at man mangement- making attacking subs, or changing formation during a game when it looks obvious nothing is working.
5. Experience- personaly don't think we're too short of that at the moment.
6. Good rotation of squad for easy matches which doesn't backfire due to strong youth and squad.
7. Having a foul mouthed git as a manager to strike fear into referees to get decisions, and players playing when needed- the hairdrier.
8. Manager to have respect at all levels of the club, owners, staff, players, youth, fans, sports broadcasters and journalists.
9. Good owners to regenerate squads every year to form a new squad every 5-7 years.
10. Good eye for talent

Lol can't think of anymore but I think you can find all the reasons why we have failed under all previous managers in that list.
Dalglish so far-1,3,6 again not his fault as mainly he inherited all of Hodgsons problems below but has narrowed the problems down to only 3.

Hodgson- 3,4,7,8,9,10

Benitez- 1,2,3,4,9,10 although he tried to fix every problem and in the end suceeded but the results only came after he was sacked.

Houllier- 2,3,6,10 he left due to having too much time at the club and health reasons.

most managers failed due to 3,4, or 10.

3 points for me:
1. Player respect for the manager plays a massive role. Fergie has ruled with an iron fist within a velvet glove, and he knows exactly when to take the glove off. We haven't had a manager with the same touch for far too long.

2. Strength in depth. United have a extremely expensive but equally deep squad. When you can sell Ronaldo and then lose Valencia for most of a season but *still* lead the title race for 7 months, you've got more than just strong words.

3. Eye for talent. I don't think I'll ever forget Carra saying a few seasons ago how he bumped into Fergie in the tunnel at halftime during one of our matches, and he said "Your new number 7 is a bit special". Fergie replied: "That kid is going to be the best player in the world." We haven't had a manager who knew how to buy talent every season since Kenny left.

But we can fix those. We have owners who want to win the title, and who clearly have the business acumen to get the money we will need. We have a caretaker manager who can look after points 1 and 3. This season may see the end of our most titles record, but it's only the beginning.

Lots of luck as well. When they do play badly, loses or draw. The rest of the teams chasing them always seem to cock up as well.

Stability, plain and simple. You have to go back in history a bit here. For Utd when Munich happened they had 4 or 5 core survivors. It still took them 10 years to get back to were they where, But when they lost Busby, Charlton they went down!!!

After that sad night in Hysel we lost the last of the boot room lads in Fagan, We were blessed the way Kenny stepped up to the plate until Hillsborough Happened. 18 months later the core of the staff was gone and then the players soon after souness came in

This club has now survived 2 of the worst days in football and in the space of 5 years(exept for justice for the 96). With the king back, coming with it is pride and the knowledge about what way the club should be run and long may it last