Roy also managed to beat chelsea, and he didn't get us knocked out of europe with woefullly poor tactics (by a team that arsenal beat 6-0).
Yes, Roy did beat Chelsea at Anfield. It earned him a stay of execution - but then everyone would go on to beat Chelsea for the next month because they had no fit midfield players and Wilkins had been inexplicably fired. Roy did well to win, of that there is no doubt, but he would fail to maintain this winning form.
Arsenal beat Braga 6-0 at the Emirates. We only managed a goalless draw at Anfield - this was the true tragedy of Kenny's EL campaign. Are you even vaguely aware of how to compare like with like? I didn't say Kenny was great in Europe, I said we had to bear in mind that the only game he lost in the EL was to a side that had beaten Arsenal at the same venue. I said Roy's record in Europe was better, given that he was unbeaten, but one needs to retain the perspective that he had 4 games against worse than championship level sides, and those 4 wins make up the greater portion of the "success story" of his first 16 (as I pointed out, he only won 1 game against EPL opposition where Kenny has won 6 - which you somehow twist to mean Roy is the better manager).
If you're only interested in league games then that's fine - you pick and choose the stats to justify your opinion - I have no problem with that but that only paints 1 part of the picture. The FACT remains, after their first 16 respective games, Roy had a better record than Kenny yet people wanted Roy sacked and for Kenny to have a permanent contract....the mind boggles!!
Right back at you regarding picking and choosing stats that only paint part of the picture, mate. Roy's "first 16" games were very different in terms of quality of opponent that Kenny's, particularly since Roy had 4 EL qualifier games while Kenny had 4 EL games in the knockout stage of the tournament. Even an idiot can work out Kenny's games in that competition would have been more difficult.
What you should be saying is something more like: Roy had an extremely difficult task given our first 5 fixtures of the EPL this season. Arsenal (home), both Manchester clubs away, Birmingham (away - at a time when they hadn't lost at home for more than a season), WBA at home (should be an easy 3 points). 5-7 points would have been an decent return here, given how late the squad returned from the World Cup, and given Mascherano's antics, so his return of 4 points is not too terrible. If you argue like this people are more likely to listen, don't you think? Problem was that Roy failed to win any of his next 3 EPL games as well, AND succumbed tamely to Northampton in the League Cup. You can't honestly expect people to think you're a great manager with performances like that, can you? Roy himself wanted us to judge him after 10 EPL games, and after those 10 we were 15th on the table. Rafa (who was sacked because he wasn't good enough) never had the club slip below 9th in 6 seasons, by comparison. Kenny took us from 12th to 6th in his 10 EPL games. You might say that table position is relative to the strength of the league, but slipping 5 places from 10th, and gaining 6 places from 12th over the same number of games are clearly opposite in terms of quality.
You also seriously underestimate the difference in beating a side at Anfield and beating the same side at their home ground. Chelsea were blow par both times we beat them - this is true. However when Kenny beat them at Stamford Bridge it was only the 5th time they had lost there in their previous 126 fixtures at the ground. Even Manchester United do not boast such an impressive home record. You have to give credit where it's due. You also can't choose to overlook the FACT that under Roy we had the worst top flight start of any Liverpool manager since we returned to the top flight (and he had a fully fit squad to work with) just because the second string were doing well against European minnows.
Roy is at a club that suits his zero expectation approach and "play to not lose" tactics. He will do well there. But he will fail time and again at a club that requires its manager to win half it's games rather than 35%. Kenny is not at 50% since he started (though he's not too far off, and, again, his first 2 losses were hardly his fault given that they both occurred within 4 days of him taking over [where Roy had all of pre-season]), but maybe you should have a look at who is injured right now.
I never said Kenny was the best manager in the world. I am merely debunking your misguided belief that Roy is the better manager simply because he had 2 more draws over his first 16 games.
Your stats also conveniently overlook the fact that Kenny has won 7 games and lost 5 (not 6 of each as you list it).
