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I Think the bigger point is that we are probably not capable of winning it even if we want too. I would love to be wrong but i think are squad is just to thin! (In terms of quality!).
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To be quite honest a trophy is a trophy. Liverpool are not a champions league team, so players are gonna think twice about coming here, the world knows we've been on a downward spiral, will top players want to hop on that without a real reason to think we've steadied the ship? Winning the european cup that we're in would go some way to proving just that in my opinion. Also think of the moral boost a trophy like that would bring, plus a bit of extra money; and I don't think it should be ignored how the team feels, and how the world views us not being in any european competition next year, that would be us falling down yet another tier on our downward spiral. Players don't look at Liverpool's history and think "this is the best club in the world" anymore. Players think "what can I get out of joining Liverpool", and if they look at the sorry state we're in (temporary manager, eliminated from both local cup competitions in our first round of matches, no hope of qualifying for the CL next season or the one after without serious investment) then they will think "I will get nothing out of joining this club". However, if we win the EL, and Kenny gets a full time contract with open promises of backing in the transfer market from the owners, the player view changes; this club has a good manager, they are clearly capable of winning silverware even during a disrupted season, I might be able to get something by joining this club. Completely agree, it is a small but important statement. Players want to win things, we need to show we can, even if it isn't the biggest prize.
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We'll take any silverware this season
waking up from deep slumber
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LFC is about winning trophies end of story. It will bring a winning mentality back to the club and that itself is priceless, we need to learn to crawl, walk then run again. A trophy in a disruptive season would be a massive achievement and certainly start us crawling.
Look at Arsenal for all their talent they look vulnerable because they are mentally weak, all because of the pressure of not winning a trophy for 5yrs.
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LFC is about winning trophies end of story. It will bring a winning mentality back to the club and that itself is priceless i agree with this, after a while a club can forget how to get over the line when it comes to winning things
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Very interesting debate. I'm a bit like a rabbit in the headlights on this one! So i'm going to be greedy...I'm up for taking the Cup and 6th place. (6th could still be vital I think) Why cant we aspire to both? look what we did to the enemy! It's about getting more from some of our players that don't seem to want to move their overpaid arse's around the pitch! The lack of effort in our two away games to Sparta and Braga was disgraceful and must be dealt with.
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One thing that Kenny said about him joining the club as a player was the thing that attracted him most to Liverpool was the sense that they were hungry to keep winning. They did not rest on their laurels at winning the league; they wanted to win it again. And again.
We as fans might not care much for the EL given its poor prize money compared with the CL and its lesser prestige, but winning is winning, and a winning habit is vital in every aspect of football. The bragging rights mean a lot when it comes to attracting new talent.
We have next to nothing going for us right now, and lesser players will easily say "Yes" to an offer from Liverpool (just like lesser managers want LFC on their CV more than worrying about what could happen with them in charge). But we don't want "lesser players" because we have a squad full of them already. We want top players, the ones who will help us continue to win, but without a proven ability to win they won't come. We've won nothing for 4 seasons (5 if we miss the EL), and the doubts about our championship quality will remain. Regardless of our name we need to prove ourselves once more, set aside our history and start writing a new one. Winning something, anything, is the best way of showing we are well and truly on the road to recovery.
Abandoning this competition so we have fewer matches next season sounds like an admission of defeat, that the task is too great. We should never allow ourselves to go down the road that denies us the attitude of true champions.
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We need to win the europa simply because we're a winning club. End off.
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i agree. i know these euro games are painful to watch, and generally top clubs have a giggle into their sleeve at this competition, but the difference between lifting that cup at the end of this season and not is quite substantial.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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Of course we should win it!!! And we should try our best to do it!
Why?
We are 3 times winner of UEFA Cup - which now is known as Europa League, 5 times winner of European Cup known now Champions League - which make us 8 times titled team in Europe!!! (We never won Cup Winners Cup). We are third in history of European football - better are Real - with 11 european titles (9xCL and 2xEL)and AC Milan(7xCL and 2x CWC). Barcelona are behind us with 7 titles (3xCL and 4xCWC) then Ajax and Inter with 6 titles. C'mon - we have a chance to be the second most titled team in European Club Competitions! We are Liverpool - we should win what is winable!!!
Next season - like it was said - it's up to the manager to manage...but I think it's better to be in European Competiton than not to be;)
Last edited by Van_Pur; 15/03/11 06:20 PM.
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