spot on Thundyr - lets be honest with ourselves and admit Carra has caused alot of problems since his return. The no nonsense clear to all corners or the high ball into Suarez yesterday is embarrassing to him and the team. Since his return and Aggers (in and out) over the last week or two our possession stats have plummeted. Skrtel is a bag of nerves when he plays with Carra and has been since the Spurs jaw breaker. Gerrard also yesterday gave the ball away far too many times and actually had us charging back on several occasions as West Ham broke from his mistakes. I look at Terry at Chelsea who is sort of a Carra mirror image and their style is now outdated. So many more teams are playing on the deck and whilst Carra is a legend I feel he needs to move aside in the summer. Gerrard needs to find a role and quick, the team desperately needs him firing at a better level and leading the team. This is not based just on yesterday but on the last 18mths. The fact is we denied for so long that Torres wasn't right and gave excuses left right and centre until he went. Same questions need to be asked of these two anfield greats. Arguably we currently play better without them in the side.