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this is a bait, im waiting for the big fish to take before i strike and land a nice big Emperor carp:) wake up Joe!!!! you've got a run on the middle rod and the Delkim's screeeeeming!!! Strike you noddy :P Its fighting me mate, i think its heading for cover under the rocks. lol
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emp,
zola does seem like a nice man but so does steve bruce but i don't want him managing liverpool.
zola was a good player who won a league once with maradona (in his prime) in the team. that's mediocre success but then i don't think being a great player really translates into managerial success. ferguson or wenger weren't exactly superstar players...nor shanks nor paisley but great managers.
zola is rookie manager who had one good season at west ham.
so emp, my questions to you are: do you give a damn is zola is a nice guy? or whether he was a good player? or a good manager? alan curbishly had great success over many seasons at charlton...using your rationale should we get him in? or rou rodgson?
in short, whereas i'm not rafa's biggest fan...and intermittantly you create the odd rational arguement against him. but you suggesting zola seems very flimsy indeed. Then who would you suggest to replace Rafa, if we needed to??? Dont tell me Sami Lee please..
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no. i wouldn't suggest sammy either. that's a little facecious. tabloids and media always suggest big names cos it sells copy. but ferguson came from aberdeen and wenger came from i don't know where. i think martin o'neill could do a job possibly. i know the temptation of members of this forum will be to slate me to slate me but there is, at least, experience there.
so to repeat injun, i'm suggesting that we get someone with experience. sammy doesn't seem to have managed for long successful periods as a first team manager. so no i'm not suggesting him
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no. i wouldn't suggest sammy either. that's a little facecious. tabloids and media always suggest big names cos it sells copy. but ferguson came from aberdeen and wenger came from i don't know where. i think martin o'neill could do a job possibly. i know the temptation of members of this forum will be to slate me to slate me but there is, at least, experience there.
so to repeat injun, i'm suggesting that we get someone with experience. sammy doesn't seem to have managed for long successful periods as a first team manager. so no i'm not suggesting him No, i wont slate you for thinking martin o niel, no ways. Your assesment and selction of martin o niel does not lack thought and planning, you use the words "Experience" thats a fundamental criteria in selecting. However should someone select Zola, there is no evidence of experience, track record etc. I like this burnley guy, Owen Coyle, i dont think he is ready, if he can hang about in the premirship for a while, then i really think he has the skills and expertise to take on a big club. However, if i could have Rafa for the next 20 years, i will keep him. But i would expect success in something before the end of his current contract in 2014.
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there is an arguement against experience though. when we brought kenny in a manager...he had no experience but he had lfc in his veins and it worked out very well indeed. but successful player managers like that (over a sustainable period) are few and far between.
coyle seems good so far. one to watch alright. but the way things are at lfc, who in the world could we get in should we have to replace rafa (and i've said before he def shouldn't go this season)...the key thing is...who could do the job (ie win the league agaisnt the mancs, chelski etc) with owners who don't release funds (this season and last, balancing out ourchases and sales we've barely spent anything net)
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thats the point, nobody really out there that can fit the bill to take over, i dont know how old Kenny is, but it unlikely he will come back. The problem with forein guys is that they tend to do things differently to the local managers.
Wenger, Rafa, Murinho, Ramos etc. The moment they took Harry redknapp back to Spurs, they started playing good footie.
If we brought in Hiddink, he would start searching the duch league for players he is familiar with, Murinho brought in many portu players, Rafa brings in spanish players. not a hard and fast rule, but each foreing manager has a intimate knowledge of the players and markets is his own country.
Pass and move is great to watch, look at arsenal, what brilliant footie, LFC would play great pass and move ball. But i think the game has evolved, i think the tactical and technical side of footie has overtaken the essential basic part of footie.
"It is about keeping the ball, passing the ball and making yourself available to recieve a pass"
The brand of football employed by a manager is one aspect, the other aspect is does he have the head and heart to manage big headed rich high salaried players? is he strong enough? does he commant respect? Take Roy keane for example, what a hard headed, strong character of a player, but he lost the respect of teh dressing room at sunderland. I think Ramos lost the respect of the players at Spurs.
Now compare the way fergie would handle a player that is out of line? I think Beckahm has a scar to proove who is the boss!
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by "on the brink of extinction" so you mean in the relegation zone? i think equating those two things sounds a little sensationalist emp. sorry
again, i'm not claiming rafa as a sviour. i want to clarify that you're saying publicly in fornt of the other members that you want gianfranco zola in beause he took over a team who were struggling at the start of a season and stopped them from going down and on that basis he is the person for lfc?
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point taken emp but west ham did break their club transfer record by spending 9mill on fabio nsereko in january. in fact they've spent more money (net) than liverpool in the past two seasons.
west ham were struggling last season indeed but they were and are a team well worth mid table. so he took a squead of mid table players and cemented them in mid table.
i don't really think that means brink of extinction. maybe there would have been lobby to find new owners if that were the case. so i still think it's senstationalist.
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not true i am afraid emp - nothing zola did had any effect on that side of things at all ....... he did rescue them from relegation but the club were in no real danger of ceasing to exist
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ok, i'm not going to repeat the post on this site regarding the structure of the johnson deal and the fact that we sold alonso for 30 and paid aquilani for 20...but basically works at out lass than west ham....i can qualidy the statement further if you want but first i suggest having a read over sale and purchases of both clubs to come up with your own answer.
that's great that he brough smiles to the faces of people. what is it that proves that he would win the league for us? roy keane goit sunderland promoted and then kept them up...maybe we should use the rational of smiling sunderland fans to get him in??
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