yeah id agree with that but a lot of people are burrying there heads in the sands these 2 ar rapeing us ,this is the time for fans to make the differance and get rid of them it can be done but not overnight ,how long with no investment is it gunna be before we dont qualify for the champs leauge how long before torres sold it will happen to pay ther debts,revalution sos join them before its to late