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Originally Posted By: Mujtaba
a really good reason to betray fans??


So you would put LFC before the needs of your family then?

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easy u two......thundyr :he himself played this all loyalty n his decent approach towards things.
.what has it to do with family needs here.


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That could be a reason he wants to go. He may have had a big disagreement with dome one at the club. Gerrard might have knocked the back out of his wife. WE DONT KNOW!!!

The other thing that really makes me laugh is a couple of months ago when he was suposedly sulking. The same bitter fans said "if he wants to go, he should just put in a transfer request and f*ck off." he does just that, then you are all having a go at him because he's betrayed you! What a fecking joke some fans are!

I am disapointed he's wants to leave, but I'm sure in his own mind he has a good enough reason to do so. He we never be looked upon as a Liverpool legend like he could have been and he probably understands that.

It just [oops]*s me off when people start sprouting sh*t when they have no idea what's really going on

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this place my friend is to spout the [oops] out ...if u dont want to see it..u better know what to do...


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You don't get it do you?

I'm not getting at you. I'm just saying there are people on here giving an LFC player loads of abuse, which in my book is wrong!

Spouting sh*t when you don't know the facts makes you no better than a certain red top paper in my book

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Originally Posted By: Mujtaba
easy u two......thundyr :he himself played this all loyalty n his decent approach towards things.


Don't get me wrong, I'm pis5ed off as well. But I'm not going to start name calling and believing he suddenly turned into a traitor overnight, when this saga is just a guy realizing that he can't fulfill his dreams at our club given the evidence he's presented with. I still believe that Torres greatly values those things he always says he has, but maybe he's come to the understanding that nice guys finish last for a reason. The way the fans are reacting to him now will almost certainly allow him to walk away with a clear conscience as well; if it's that easy for us to brand him as a traitor regarding a decision that I guarantee was hard to make, then it's going to be easier for him to realize we are not the fans he wants supporting him. "Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand" - that's us.

It's the same with every truly outstanding player when they understand that their circumstances are holding them back. Some are fortunate (eg SG or Carra) that their home club was still able to obtain some glory, but let's not forget that SG has been tempted to jump ship several times and most likely for the same reasons. That he hasn't jumped is a credit to him as a person, but we all know that in staying he accepted that he might never win the ultimate prize as an English footballer; the EPL title.

But Torres isn't prepared to accept second best; not yet anyway. He already doesn't play for his boyhood club, nor are those in his dream club looking to sign him, and LFC simply doesn't have the ambition to solve the crisis we are in before he turns 30. I can't blame him for wanting to leave, though certainly he could have announced his intentions somewhat differently, but anyone who didn't see this day coming is a fool; he's been threatening to leave for far too long, it's just that no one has been paying attention. I guess we're all paying attention now, eh?

Kenny Dalglish can almost certainly empathize with him: he said it himself when asked about leaving Celtic for Liverpool; (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact quote) "Maybe it's selfish, I dunno, but when you get that chance you have to take it."

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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
thundyr, again, I still agre with most of your post. the only thing I disagree with is about players going out to play well or badly.


When your heart's not in it you can't run. You might want to in order to keep up appearances, and some people can do it all the time (eg Alonso), but it's really hard. I've been there myself, though in an individual sport, and believe me it's hell; you just want it to end so you can get back to being yourself again, and it always has nothing to do with your desire to perform at your peak. Given that he's emotional, I don't think Torres is the kind of guy who can just push it all down and get on with the job as though nothing was wrong.

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all we need to know is HE HIMSELF PUT IN A TRANFER REQUEST! or maybe he didnt know about it whistle


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But I still stand by what I said, we don't know why. For all we know he could have family issues, he may have fell out with someone at the club.

Until we know the facts, I font agree with all the abuse he's getting

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If it were planned surely bentiez would have wanted to change it.


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