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You're missing the point, Torres stated that he was committed till the summer, and then comes out to say that he wants to leave? that's just crossing the line, You set promises and you broke them. If i told you i would help you put bricks up for your house and then said i dont want to anymore, how would you feel about me? excuse the lame metaphor.


Um - sorry, mate, but who broke the promises first? Your metaphor works, except that you've got the wrong people in the roles: Torres is not the bricklayer. He's the guy who's been let down, he would have left during the summer but for more promises (just like SG in 2005, except that Rafa delivered). Torres then urges the owners to put their money where their mouths are, and all they do is offer half for Suarez and half for Adam and then *leave it at that*. That's not putting your money where your mouth is. It was the last straw for Torres, and now you're calling him the traitor? A little objectivity would be nice.

Oh, and you're quoting topscout as proof? That's a joke. The guy guesses worse than I do. Oh, and if he is right about the owners being skint, then Torres has all the more reason to want to leave because then their promises to him were just as empty as the sh*t H&G shoveled. Still not his fault he lost his faith in the club, is it?

Think about this: in 2007 we reached the CL final. At the time we had what was becoming the most feared strike partnership (Torres + SG), the most dependable midfield (Alonso + Mascherano), the best keeper (Reina), and arguably the best manager (Rafa) in the last 20 years. That doesn't come easily, and none of these people outside SG have overblown egos. So to end up where we are (on the brink of having only Reina and SG remain of these people) really requires an awful lot to go wrong. Yet you (and several thousand others it seems) think that Torres is the traitor when he's just the latest hit by the fallout. He should have left in the summer, he held on because he wanted to believe, and they trampled on his dreams yet again. This time Chelsea actually put some money on the table, and I'll bet he doesn't want to be lied to again.

Sad as it is to admit, I have to agree with Reclaim. LFC fans really are incredibly fickle.


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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Originally Posted By: Dexter
You're missing the point, Torres stated that he was committed till the summer, and then comes out to say that he wants to leave? that's just crossing the line, You set promises and you broke them. If i told you i would help you put bricks up for your house and then said i dont want to anymore, how would you feel about me? excuse the lame metaphor.


Um - sorry, mate, but who broke the promises first? Your metaphor works, except that you've got the wrong people in the roles: Torres is not the bricklayer. He's the guy who's been let down, he would have left during the summer but for more promises (just like SG in 2005, except that Rafa delivered). Torres then urges the owners to put their money where their mouths are, and all they do is offer half for Suarez and half for Adam and then *leave it at that*. That's not putting your money where your mouth is. It was the last straw for Torres, and now you're calling him the traitor? A little objectivity would be nice.

Oh, and you're quoting topscout as proof? That's a joke. The guy guesses worse than I do. Oh, and if he is right about the owners being skint, then Torres has all the more reason to want to leave because then their promises to him were just as empty as the sh*t H&G shoveled. Still not his fault he lost his faith in the club, is it?

Think about this: in 2007 we reached the CL final. At the time we had what was becoming the most feared strike partnership (Torres + SG), the most dependable midfield (Alonso + Mascherano), the best keeper (Reina), and arguably the best manager (Rafa) in the last 20 years. That doesn't come easily, and none of these people outside SG have overblown egos. So to end up where we are (on the brink of having only Reina and SG remain of these people) really requires an awful lot to go wrong. Yet you (and several thousand others it seems) think that Torres is the traitor when he's just the latest hit by the fallout. He should have left in the summer, he held on because he wanted to believe, and they trampled on his dreams yet again. This time Chelsea actually put some money on the table, and I'll bet he doesn't want to be lied to again.

Sad as it is to admit, I have to agree with Reclaim. LFC fans really are incredibly fickle.


People talk about "Tha Club" as though is is LFC which lies to you. It is not. It is people who lie and those who were shown to do so time and time again are gone. A true rebuliding process is underway at LFC and clearly Torres does not have the fight or the long sight to see it.
Going to Chelsea will not guarantee success. They have spent millions yet have still not won the CL. They also have an aged first team and a poor squad behind that. Roman clearly has to now not only outspend City he has to try to get a manager who in the long term can build a squad and also try to out smart Ferguson. In the mean time we should be looking for a striking sensation who does not sulk and can fight when the going gets tough.

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Originally Posted By: Jammer
I'm feeling very concerned by what has just crossed my mind. While a lot of what I'm saying is based on speculation it all fits!

Mr Purslow came into Liverpool to help out with the sale of the club. Apparently when Woy took over in his first interview I recall him saying something along the lines of " I had a chance to speak to torres briefly to discuss footballing maters. I left him and Purslow to discuss the clubs intentfor the future".

Now it is alleged Torres has a get out claus in his contract of £50m. It is also alleged the person who put it there was Purslow and Purslow came to aid us from Che......

Perhaps it's been planned all along! 


few other things I've thought of this morning.

Torres would never be aloud to leave Liverpool, Chelski and purslow would know this. Might be an excuse for the lack of form? To help chelski to get LFC to negotiate.

It seems as though Chelski knew torres would hand in a transfer request. Why would they bid a month after he commited himself to the club.

Perhaps he just likes purslow who is now back at chavs, and fancies working with him permanently?

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I'm feeling very concerned by what has just crossed my mind. While a lot of what I'm saying is based on speculation it all fits!

Mr Purslow came into Liverpool to help out with the sale of the club. Apparently when Woy took over in his first interview I recall him saying something along the lines of " I had a chance to speak to torres briefly to discuss footballing maters. I left him and Purslow to discuss the clubs intentfor the future".

Now it is alleged Torres has a get out claus in his contract of £50m. It is also alleged the person who put it there was Purslow and Purslow came to aid us from Che......

Perhaps it's been planned all along! 


few other things I've thought of this morning.

Torres would never be aloud to leave Liverpool, Chelski and purslow would know this. Might be an excuse for the lack of form? To help chelski to get LFC to negotiate.

It seems as though Chelski knew torres would hand in a transfer request. Why would they bid a month after he commited himself to the club.

Perhaps he just likes purslow who is now back at chavs, and fancies working with him permanently?
Purslow back at the chavs ???? no mate think your a little mistaken.


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People talk about "Tha Club" as though is is LFC which lies to you. It is not. It is people who lie and those who were shown to do so time and time again are gone. A true rebuliding process is underway at LFC and clearly Torres does not have the fight or the long sight to see it.
Going to Chelsea will not guarantee success. They have spent millions yet have still not won the CL. They also have an aged first team and a poor squad behind that. Roman clearly has to now not only outspend City he has to try to get a manager who in the long term can build a squad and also try to out smart Ferguson. In the mean time we should be looking for a striking sensation who does not sulk and can fight when the going gets tough.


Whoever does the talking or makes the decisions at the club represents the club, is synonymous with it. If that guy is lying to you, the club is lying to you. The fans are not the club, though we like to think we are because without us there would be no club. The club employs Torres. The club promised him things. The club has not delivered on its promise. The reasons are irrelevant to a man who already had one foot out the door at the World Cup thanks to the actions by those in charge of it that nearly jeopardized his participation at the event. He fights when the going is tough on the field, but when off-the-pitch events blind you and you question what you're fighting for... That's not a road people come back from unless something dramatic happens.

I do not think Chelsea is the right club for him, and I do believe a lot of this is his agent spotting a massive payday opportunity, but LFC is not a stable club right now; it probably won't be for several years yet. For a striker over 25 that's too long to wait for the shining light, and he has to move while he can still attract a good fee (otherwise he might as well go back to Athletico Madrid).

@Jammer: I thought Broughton was the Chav supporter, not Purslow, who I seem to recall saying was a Red. Not that I believed him. Anyone who could give Roy Hodgson a three year contract as manager of LFC is not a true Red.

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does anyone remember how friendly torres was with the chelsea players before the game when we beat them 2-0 earlier in the season. i remember watching that and thinking he was a bit to friendly - joking about with ancelloti etc

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He was flirting the schlaaag! Lol

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things could have been pretty much different if kenny was appointed in summer instead of woy....


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Originally Posted By: Jammer
I'm feeling very concerned by what has just crossed my mind. While a lot of what I'm saying is based on speculation it all fits!

Mr Purslow came into Liverpool to help out with the sale of the club. Apparently when Woy took over in his first interview I recall him saying something along the lines of " I had a chance to speak to torres briefly to discuss footballing maters. I left him and Purslow to discuss the clubs intentfor the future".

Now it is alleged Torres has a get out claus in his contract of £50m. It is also alleged the person who put it there was Purslow and Purslow came to aid us from Che......

Perhaps it's been planned all along! 


Not sure if we are trying to read into too much with the Torres situation but I am the only one who found it strange he never played once for us in Europe this season? Especially the Ultrecht game when Roy said he would play but just ended up on the bench?
Maybe there was plan not to cup tie him for Europe in case we sold him in now Jan?


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