he is still a liverpool player and he said he wants to return well that yesterday must be the end of this totally unpro player celebrating cpfc's first goal true disgrace total disrespect to every red
Not at all faz. Klopp made assholes of the two of them. If i were either of them i would have given klopp the finger. He disrespected the two lads and now its backfired
Not at all faz. Klopp made assholes of the two of them. If i were either of them i would have given klopp the finger. He disrespected the two lads and now its backfired
cant believe reds are defending this its a true disrespect to every red shameful in fact shows how unprofessional he is .
I just don't see what the problem is
I just don't see what the problem is
he is a liverpool player no issue with benteke but sakho's actions were a disgrace
Tbh Sakho should not have been on their bench...it should have been pointed out to him before he took his seat, that it was a huge mark of disrespect. The media knew an opportunity was going to surface in that game to get a story, the moment Sakho chose to sit there!
It's a certainty now that he'll be sold but if I were Klopp I'd make sure Sakho is sold abroad...we always find a way for ex players with a grudge to hurt us when we play against them.
We may one day play against him in Europe but its a certainty we'll come up against him sooner and more regular if we allow to be sold to a prem team.
he is still a liverpool player and he said he wants to return well that yesterday must be the end of this totally unpro player celebrating cpfc's first goal true disgrace total disrespect to every red
What respect has the club shown to him?
faz relax dude. The guy is a cfc player now. He wants to survive the drop, he trains everyday with those lads, he probably spends time with them off the pitch. This behaviour is normal, every other loanee that has gone out of his parent club will support the team that he plays with. There is no disrespect at all.
Not at all faz. Klopp made assholes of the two of them. If i were either of them i would have given klopp the finger. He disrespected the two lads and now its backfired
Correct.
I'm gutted that we've binned the two of them.
Never given the respect as players that they were due and deserved.
Most in here did nowt but slag them both off for months on end anyway, so wind yer necks in I say.
I thought another pathetic collapse against a team struggling to stay up was much more disrespectful than anything Sakho did yesterday.
I thought another pathetic collapse against a team struggling to stay up was much more disrespectful than anything Sakho did yesterday.
You'd think we'd be hardened to it by now though Shags' ey?
Still stings, EVERY time we see our team turn over and have their tummy's tickled.
Burnt that many bass turd bladders out now, I'm seriously strugglin' for replacements
If any one of us was him, we would have done exactly the same. Stuck 2 fingers up at Klopp and quite rightly to.
This dancing German aint nothing but a fake and he masks his incompetencies and pathetic transfer decision making with his hoorah antics that the fans just seem to, for some bizarre reason, crave for.
Reminds me allot of a manger version of Djibril Cisse, what an ass, literally one of the worst players that graced the prem, oh yes, but the Liverpool faithful will take to you, just wear a white suit with a red and white striped tie, bleach your hair blonde and your in!!
Just read the post match comments lol, "Christian Benteke is an outstandingly good striker" said Klopp
"but i chose a bit of Divock Origi and nothing of Daniel Sturridge over him" - is the only part he missed out.
Pathetic.
Where was 'Rent a Wreck' Storage yesterday btw?
Where was 'Rent a Wreck' Storage yesterday btw?
Out with a badly bruised shin guard.
Where was 'Rent a Wreck' Storage yesterday btw?
Out with a badly bruised shin guard.
Wasn't on the bench was he?
Splinter in his lardy arse from last time was it?
If any one of us was him, we would have done exactly the same. Stuck 2 fingers up at Klopp and quite rightly to.
This dancing German aint nothing but a fake and he masks his incompetencies and pathetic transfer decision making with his hoorah antics that the fans just seem to, for some bizarre reason, crave for.
Reminds me allot of a manger version of Djibril Cisse, what an ass, literally one of the worst players that graced the prem, oh yes, but the Liverpool faithful will take to you, just wear a white suit with a red and white striped tie, bleach your hair blonde and your in!!
So angry.
Benteke was and is garbage. He can only play one type of football. The way palace and villa play.
If he had any talent at all he would be alongside drogba and lukaku. Same shape size and build. But one is a premier league and Chelsea legend. The other will go for a record fee next year. Benteke has played well at villa and palace.
Sahko is a lower team. Last ditch tackling defender. A more confident Djimi Traore. He was booted out and got his own back. I'm sure klopp is well gutted. Let him celebrate all of palaces goals. He won't go to a bigger team than PSG or Liverpool anymore.
Fun fact. Benteke has scored more goals at anfield for opposition clubs than when he played for us.
Benteke was and is garbage. He can only play one type of football. The way palace and villa play.
If he had any talent at all he would be alongside drogba and lukaku. Same shape size and build. But one is a premier league and Chelsea legend. The other will go for a record fee next year. Benteke has played well at villa and palace.
Sahko is a lower team. Last ditch tackling defender. A more confident Djimi Traore. He was booted out and got his own back. I'm sure klopp is well gutted. Let him celebrate all of palaces goals. He won't go to a bigger team than PSG or Liverpool anymore.
Fun fact. Benteke has scored more goals at anfield for opposition clubs than when he played for us.
Bit harsh, wouldn't call him garbage. But certainly not a striker you build your team around with aspirations of top 4 or higher.
Benteke was and is garbage. He can only play one type of football. The way palace and villa play.
If he had any talent at all he would be alongside drogba and lukaku. Same shape size and build. But one is a premier league and Chelsea legend. The other will go for a record fee next year. Benteke has played well at villa and palace.
Sahko is a lower team. Last ditch tackling defender. A more confident Djimi Traore. He was booted out and got his own back. I'm sure klopp is well gutted. Let him celebrate all of palaces goals. He won't go to a bigger team than PSG or Liverpool anymore.
Fun fact. Benteke has scored more goals at anfield for opposition clubs than when he played for us.
He is definitely no Drogba but somebody who scored more than all our players this season is not garbage and he is better than Origi playing the same type of football.
The OP may be a little OTT on this but how anyone can stick up for Sakho over Klopp and the club is beyond me!
This is a bloke who got himself banned (wrongly as it turns out) for taking a dodgy fat burner without the club knowing. He then misses a crucial part of our season.
On his return, he acts the fool, is late for training, misses a team meeting etc. so gets bombed out. Any manager and club would probably have done the same and if we hadn't, what example does that set to the rest of the players.
People always hark back to the old times and ask what the likes of Shankly would've done for various scenarios so just ask yourself that for this situation.
Sakho is a first class clown and has basically ruined himself with us so to speak of the club and Klopp disrespecting HIM is beyond a joke.
Benteke was and is garbage. He can only play one type of football. The way palace and villa play.
If he had any talent at all he would be alongside drogba and lukaku. Same shape size and build. But one is a premier league and Chelsea legend. The other will go for a record fee next year. Benteke has played well at villa and palace.
Sahko is a lower team. Last ditch tackling defender. A more confident Djimi Traore. He was booted out and got his own back. I'm sure klopp is well gutted. Let him celebrate all of palaces goals. He won't go to a bigger team than PSG or Liverpool anymore.
Fun fact. Benteke has scored more goals at anfield for opposition clubs than when he played for us.
He is definitely no Drogba but somebody who scored more than all our players this season is not garbage and he is better than Origi playing the same type of football.
I'd rather have a team of players who collectively score lots than one player who scores lots.
Jesus, people are getting fussed over little things. Besides, we are at fault for this, we left him out in the dark due to 'attitude' problems, though I don't see how it's affected his performances at CP, where he's been very good. He plays for Palace, his team is trying to fight for survival and it's absolutely normal to react that way.
Why are people so afraid of criticising Klopp? It's like criticising Klopp means we are automatically against Liverpool. He made a mistake with handling the Sakho situation.
he is still a liverpool player and he said he wants to return well that yesterday must be the end of this totally unpro player celebrating cpfc's first goal true disgrace total disrespect to every red
What respect has the club shown to him?
what ? how can it be defended he is a liverpool player and to show true disrespect like this is a disgrace to the fans as well as the club , he is an employee of LFC .
The OP may be a little OTT on this but how anyone can stick up for Sakho over Klopp and the club is beyond me!
This is a bloke who got himself banned (wrongly as it turns out) for taking a dodgy fat burner without the club knowing. He then misses a crucial part of our season.
On his return, he acts the fool, is late for training, misses a team meeting etc. so gets bombed out. Any manager and club would probably have done the same and if we hadn't, what example does that set to the rest of the players.
People always hark back to the old times and ask what the likes of Shankly would've done for various scenarios so just ask yourself that for this situation.
Sakho is a first class clown and has basically ruined himself with us so to speak of the club and Klopp disrespecting HIM is beyond a joke.
Fat burner issue was Uefa's fault. The substance was in the non-banned list and he was used to be made an example of. Not his fault, I am sure a lot more players take fat burners etc.
What he did early in the season was silly, but not worth pushing out of the club to have the likes of Lucas covering the defence. Besides, Sakho has recently put in some good performances for Crystal Palace, which we could have done with. But we're happy with our makeshift defence which gets beaten by average teams. And if we're talking about attitude problems, why is Sturridge still at the club? He plays with an attitude that shows he does not want to be at the club.
We're allowed to critise the manager you know.
faz relax dude. The guy is a cfc player now. He wants to survive the drop, he trains everyday with those lads, he probably spends time with them off the pitch. This behaviour is normal, every other loanee that has gone out of his parent club will support the team that he plays with. There is no disrespect at all.
he is not a CPFC player he is a liverpool player , and it showed to me why he isnt at liverpool no more , just a disrespect unprofessional man , all thgis i love the scouse nation etc etc but celebrates a goal against his team , i honestly dont understand how it is being defended , benteke have no issue with he done his job for his club good luck to him but sakho is a disgrace .
he is still a liverpool player and he said he wants to return well that yesterday must be the end of this totally unpro player celebrating cpfc's first goal true disgrace total disrespect to every red
What respect has the club shown to him?
what ? how can it be defended he is a liverpool player and to show true disrespect like this is a disgrace to the fans as well as the club , he is an employee of LFC .
Stop being so emotional Faz. We need to stop being worried about emotional crap such as this - and think about why we're not winning. Not be affected by whether or not a player is celebrating.
The OP may be a little OTT on this but how anyone can stick up for Sakho over Klopp and the club is beyond me!
This is a bloke who got himself banned (wrongly as it turns out) for taking a dodgy fat burner without the club knowing. He then misses a crucial part of our season.
On his return, he acts the fool, is late for training, misses a team meeting etc. so gets bombed out. Any manager and club would probably have done the same and if we hadn't, what example does that set to the rest of the players.
People always hark back to the old times and ask what the likes of Shankly would've done for various scenarios so just ask yourself that for this situation.
Sakho is a first class clown and has basically ruined himself with us so to speak of the club and Klopp disrespecting HIM is beyond a joke.
Fat burner issue was Uefa's fault. The substance was in the non-banned list and he was used to be made an example of. Not his fault, I am sure a lot more players take fat burners etc.
What he did early in the season was silly, but not worth pushing out of the club to have the likes of Lucas covering the defence. Besides, Sakho has recently put in some good performances for Crystal Palace, which we could have done with. But we're happy with our makeshift defence which gets beaten by average teams. And if we're talking about attitude problems, why is Sturridge still at the club? He plays with an attitude that shows he does not want to be at the club.
We're allowed to critise the manager you know.
You can criticise the manager all you want but you're wrong here. Klopp did exactly what any manager would / should do to a player who's basically being a cvnt. If you're happy to effectively have players doing what they want and being 'bigger than the club' then that's your issue, not any body elses.
I'm not actually too fussed about what he did yesterday but what went before it. What he did was un-professional and very disrespectful to the manager, the club and it's players and has cost him his place and rightly so. You can also bet your life if Klopp had done nothing, you and the like would be batting him for that too.
Benteke was and is garbage. He can only play one type of football. The way palace and villa play.
If he had any talent at all he would be alongside drogba and lukaku. Same shape size and build. But one is a premier league and Chelsea legend. The other will go for a record fee next year. Benteke has played well at villa and palace.
Sahko is a lower team. Last ditch tackling defender. A more confident Djimi Traore. He was booted out and got his own back. I'm sure klopp is well gutted. Let him celebrate all of palaces goals. He won't go to a bigger team than PSG or Liverpool anymore.
Fun fact. Benteke has scored more goals at anfield for opposition clubs than when he played for us.
He is definitely no Drogba but somebody who scored more than all our players this season is not garbage and he is better than Origi playing the same type of football.
Can't compare him to origi. Benteke is good for how they play. If we played like palace. We too would be in 16th place with big Sam as our saviour. Rather have a group of players scoring loads of goals for the highest scoring team in the league. Than have Benteke up front and trying to find his head with a 60yard pass from the keeper.
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
I'm not having a go at Sakho because of this result or really for what he did yesterday. He has been a massive bell end so deserves criticism.
And lets not forget, this is a player that wasn't highly rated on here but as soon as he's not with us anymore, he's all of a sudden a world beater and has been treated like shitte?!?!?!
I'm glad he got fukked off out of here and so he should after what he did. No player is bigger than the club and all that. And as I've said, had no sanctions been taken against him, Klopp and the club would've been hammered for that too.
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
I'm not having a go at Sakho because of this result or really for what he did yesterday. He has been a massive bell end so deserves criticism.
And lets not forget, this is a player that wasn't highly rated on here but as soon as he's not with us anymore, he's all of a sudden a world beater and has been treated like shitte?!?!?!
I'm glad he got fukked off out of here and so he should after what he did. No player is bigger than the club and all that. And as I've said, had no sanctions been taken against him, Klopp and the club would've been hammered for that too.
My understanding was that Sakho was well liked at the club, I don't know where you got the 'never been rated' theory from. I remember the comments in the shoutbox 'Sakho is a beast', 'What a beast' or 'Did you see that tackle by the beast' - who knows maybe they were talking about the [oops] on Moreno's hair. But he was well received.
I understand he might have been an issue for us early in the season, but even dodgy Sam Allerdyce managed to suppress those issues and he's been a consistent performer for CP. Why couldn't Klopp do the same? He's kept Sulky Sturridge, who has been a nightmare to deal with due to his shitty attitude. Why has he been allowed to waste the club's expenditure on? Maybe we're looking to change into a night club, with him as our DJ.
I know in an earlier post you said I would critise Klopp regardless, but that's not true. I love Klopp - look at my user name !
Sakho is a cock. He was a cock at PSG and he is a cock at LFC. Klopp was right to rid him. The only problem was he should have been replaced in august when we knew he was going.
Our problems this season have not been down to who left but due to squad depletion
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
I'm not having a go at Sakho because of this result or really for what he did yesterday. He has been a massive bell end so deserves criticism.
And lets not forget, this is a player that wasn't highly rated on here but as soon as he's not with us anymore, he's all of a sudden a world beater and has been treated like shitte?!?!?!
I'm glad he got fukked off out of here and so he should after what he did. No player is bigger than the club and all that. And as I've said, had no sanctions been taken against him, Klopp and the club would've been hammered for that too.
My understanding was that Sakho was well liked at the club, I don't know where you got the 'never been rated' theory from. I remember the comments in the shoutbox 'Sakho is a beast', 'What a beast' or 'Did you see that tackle by the beast' - who knows maybe they were talking about the [oops] on Moreno's hair. But he was well received.
I understand he might have been an issue for us early in the season, but even dodgy Sam Allerdyce managed to suppress those issues and he's been a consistent performer for CP. Why couldn't Klopp do the same? He's kept Sulky Sturridge, who has been a nightmare to deal with due to his shitty attitude. Why has he been allowed to waste the club's expenditure on? Maybe we're looking to change into a night club, with him as our DJ.
I know in an earlier post you said I would critise Klopp regardless, but that's not true. I love Klopp - look at my user name !
Sakho improved a lot last season but under Rodgers was criticised by lots in here, including myself. We shouldn't let a player of Sakho's nature take the [oops] out of the club which is what he did in the summer and Klopp was more than right to do what he did as any manager worth their salt would.
Allardyce may have him playing well but as others have said, he's a last ditch merchant for them which is fine if you're fighting relegation as they are but we want to aspire to bigger and better I thought? Maybe he's still acting the clown down there too but they're putting up with it as they don't have much choice? He's one of the better players they've had and are likely to have after all.
And Klopp and the club would've been slaughtered if he'd have stayed. Maybe not by you but there are plenty who would've taken a pop and brought out the what would Shankly do or what would Ferguson do. I can tell you what they would've done and that's exactly what Klopp did.
he is still a liverpool player and he said he wants to return well that yesterday must be the end of this totally unpro player celebrating cpfc's first goal true disgrace total disrespect to every red
I'm more disappointed in Sammy Lee to be honest Faz, he could have been a bit more humble in his celebration considering his history with us.
I think sakho did disrespect the club and the fans in public yesterday,it was tactless and showed lack of humility at least.
As for Klopps reasons for it im not sure i know enough details to judge it as it was behind closed doors mostly.
Klopps decisions on the managerial front however are another story,and they are bigger problems to worry about than sakho's grudge antics tbh.
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
I'm not having a go at Sakho because of this result or really for what he did yesterday. He has been a massive bell end so deserves criticism.
And lets not forget, this is a player that wasn't highly rated on here but as soon as he's not with us anymore, he's all of a sudden a world beater and has been treated like shitte?!?!?!
I'm glad he got fukked off out of here and so he should after what he did. No player is bigger than the club and all that. And as I've said, had no sanctions been taken against him, Klopp and the club would've been hammered for that too.
My understanding was that Sakho was well liked at the club, I don't know where you got the 'never been rated' theory from. I remember the comments in the shoutbox 'Sakho is a beast', 'What a beast' or 'Did you see that tackle by the beast' - who knows maybe they were talking about the [oops] on Moreno's hair. But he was well received.
I understand he might have been an issue for us early in the season, but even dodgy Sam Allerdyce managed to suppress those issues and he's been a consistent performer for CP. Why couldn't Klopp do the same? He's kept Sulky Sturridge, who has been a nightmare to deal with due to his shitty attitude. Why has he been allowed to waste the club's expenditure on? Maybe we're looking to change into a night club, with him as our DJ.
I know in an earlier post you said I would critise Klopp regardless, but that's not true. I love Klopp - look at my user name !
Sakho improved a lot last season but under Rodgers was criticised by lots in here, including myself. We shouldn't let a player of Sakho's nature take the [oops] out of the club which is what he did in the summer and Klopp was more than right to do what he did as any manager worth their salt would.
Allardyce may have him playing well but as others have said, he's a last ditch merchant for them which is fine if you're fighting relegation as they are but we want to aspire to bigger and better I thought? Maybe he's still acting the clown down there too but they're putting up with it as they don't have much choice? He's one of the better players they've had and are likely to have after all.
And Klopp and the club would've been slaughtered if he'd have stayed. Maybe not by you but there are plenty who would've taken a pop and brought out the what would Shankly do or what would Ferguson do. I can tell you what they would've done and that's exactly what Klopp did.
Ferguson kept Cantona, who physically attacked a fan and he also kept Ferdinand who dodged a drugs test.
Nobody seems to know exactly what it is that Sakho did, but whatever it was he has paid dearly for it.
If Klopp decided to get rid of him that is entirely his right as manager but he hasn't replaced him and that is the main issue.
This would never have happened if we had managed to beat the mighty Crystal Palace.
We have become professional chokers, but let's have a go at Sakho instead.
We might even stop ignoring the elephant in the room soon. Klopp is overseeing these results but he seems to be immune from criticism.
I'm not having a go at Sakho because of this result or really for what he did yesterday. He has been a massive bell end so deserves criticism.
And lets not forget, this is a player that wasn't highly rated on here but as soon as he's not with us anymore, he's all of a sudden a world beater and has been treated like shitte?!?!?!
I'm glad he got fukked off out of here and so he should after what he did. No player is bigger than the club and all that. And as I've said, had no sanctions been taken against him, Klopp and the club would've been hammered for that too.
My understanding was that Sakho was well liked at the club, I don't know where you got the 'never been rated' theory from. I remember the comments in the shoutbox 'Sakho is a beast', 'What a beast' or 'Did you see that tackle by the beast' - who knows maybe they were talking about the [oops] on Moreno's hair. But he was well received.
I understand he might have been an issue for us early in the season, but even dodgy Sam Allerdyce managed to suppress those issues and he's been a consistent performer for CP. Why couldn't Klopp do the same? He's kept Sulky Sturridge, who has been a nightmare to deal with due to his shitty attitude. Why has he been allowed to waste the club's expenditure on? Maybe we're looking to change into a night club, with him as our DJ.
I know in an earlier post you said I would critise Klopp regardless, but that's not true. I love Klopp - look at my user name !
Sakho improved a lot last season but under Rodgers was criticised by lots in here, including myself. We shouldn't let a player of Sakho's nature take the [oops] out of the club which is what he did in the summer and Klopp was more than right to do what he did as any manager worth their salt would.
Allardyce may have him playing well but as others have said, he's a last ditch merchant for them which is fine if you're fighting relegation as they are but we want to aspire to bigger and better I thought? Maybe he's still acting the clown down there too but they're putting up with it as they don't have much choice? He's one of the better players they've had and are likely to have after all.
And Klopp and the club would've been slaughtered if he'd have stayed. Maybe not by you but there are plenty who would've taken a pop and brought out the what would Shankly do or what would Ferguson do. I can tell you what they would've done and that's exactly what Klopp did.
Agree, if the manager doesn't want him he should go, however, our great manager should have known that he needed to buy another CB
Through all we've been through with Sakho it's starting to look like he's not the most intelligent person!
Him taking something and not consulting the club.
Him immediately banning himself from playing before the B sample test.
His lager lout behaviour on tour.
And yesterday's rock, paper, scissors with somebody who plainly wants to rub salt into the wounds of Liverpool.
Maybe he's just a dense tw*t?
Through all we've been through with Sakho it's starting to look like he's not the most intelligent person!
Him taking something and not consulting the club.
Him immediately banning himself from playing before the B sample test.
His lager lout behaviour on tour.
And yesterday's rock, paper, scissors with somebody who plainly wants to rub salt into the wounds of Liverpool.
Maybe he's just a dense tw*t?
Too true and most of them are!
So here you have it.
Take it at face value, leave it, or whatever floats yer boat.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/1...-win-at-anfield
Through all we've been through with Sakho it's starting to look like he's not the most intelligent person!
Him taking something and not consulting the club.
Him immediately banning himself from playing before the B sample test.
His lager lout behaviour on tour.
And yesterday's rock, paper, scissors with somebody who plainly wants to rub salt into the wounds of Liverpool.
Maybe he's just a dense tw*t?
Too true and most of them are!
Indeed oh grumpy one.
He's just one of a flock of 99.9% of them.
It just shows a lack of class. We're still his parent club and his treatment by Klopp and the club was 100% brought on by him. If he has a grievance then maybe he should look in the mirror for the person he needs to have it with.
Honestly, I don't see it as a big deal. He shook Benteke's hand after he scored. It's not like ran up to the kop and gave the fans two fingers.
We mismanaged him and left him out in the cold, and he would be dead useful right now.
Honestly, I don't see it as a big deal. He shook Benteke's hand after he scored. It's not like ran up to the kop and gave the fans two fingers.
We mismanaged him and left him out in the cold, and he would be dead useful right now.
Indeed, can't deny that.
A one man defence, love him or loathe him, is better than none at all.
He was never that good anyway as most on here thought up until the last bit of last season so at best it'd be a half man defence.
Funny comments on this thread.
If Sakho is at best a 'last ditch' defender - what is Lovren??? What is Lucas at CB???
Sakho seems a bit of a lad in the dressing room - but other than that no one has any proof of any real wrong-doing. Each team has some 40 odd players on the books - don't you think a few of those are a bit cocky and arrogant? I don't see Sakho as being a lot different to a lot of players really - and I'm not sure why people want to make him a scapegoat. He's captained France - he can't be that bad.
As for Benteke, if he's one dimensional that can only do the big man thing with route one crosses, why does he score half his goals with his feet? If he's just a lump that slows everything down then why are Palace scoring most of their goals on the counter. Is he really any slower or that much different of a player to Origi? People who belittle him based on a small period when he was in and out of our team and never receiving any service (we never had any wingers worth a damn!) just don't seem to know football. He's scored some crackers for a number of teams - and posts some great numbers. He's got 16 this season - how many do our strikers have? I'm not saying buy him back - but to call him a 'garbage player' just smacks of ignorance or stupidity.
Sakho is a clown and although we don't know what went on behind closed doors, it was obviously bad enough to get him booted out. Klopp ain't stupid and wouldn't have binned him without good reason. And to say that he captained France so can't be that bad is like saying Djimi Traore is a world beater as he has a Champions leage medal.
And if Benteke is the kind of player you say, then why did he not fit into our team? Not many on here are saying he's a bad player but he wasn't the right fit for us and proved it over the season.
I think it was a difficult situation to judge. Sakho is certainly a comic light-hearted man. That is misplaced if he isn't 100% committed to Klopps team ethic. Sakho did little wrong in celebrating in all truth, it is just a shame it came to this.
At 32.5 m Benteke needed to hit the ground running...he was our marquee signing at the time! Liverpool in the current climate can ill afford expensive accesories. We were lucky we got our money back on him.
[/quote]Yes, but you also don't spend 32 mil on a player and not give him a run in the side to find his feet - or field a support cast to get the best out of him.
He was given a chance, he started off reasonably well but then got injured. He did not fit Klopp's style of play...Brendan signed him!
Even now at Palace he's still not fulfilling his price tag...13 goals in 31 games is not a good return!
Yes, but you also don't spend 32 mil on a player and not give him a run in the side to find his feet - or field a support cast to get the best out of him.
He was given a chance, he started off reasonably well but then got injured. He did not fit Klopp's style of play...Brendan signed him!
Even now at Palace he's still not fulfilling his price tag...13 goals in 31 games is not a good return!
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He's scored 14 so far in a team fighting relegation, more than any of our players. His goals are going to keep Palace up which is worth well beyond 32m they paid for him. Otherwise it's ok for Klopp to sell a player not in his plans, however, playing Origi instead is stupid, he should have replaced him with a better player.
No they're all not good enough,like Big Ben.
At 32.5 m Benteke needed to hit the ground running...he was our marquee signing at the time! Liverpool in the current climate can ill afford expensive accesories. We were lucky we got our money back on him.
I don't know whats happening but this is now twice I've agreed with you in one day!
I'm off for a lay down.
Does Lovren, Lucas or Moreno suit Klopp's style of play any more?
No fukker would have them was probably the case!
Bit harsh, wouldn't call him garbage. But certainly not a striker you build your team around with aspirations of top 4 or higher.
Can you post more often please? It's nice to see someone talking sense.
Who's built a team around Origi?
Yes, i also feel he disrespected our club, but i was more impressed with Benteke, who actually showed more respect by not celebrating on both occasions. We must also except that not all players or former assistance will appreciate their history with the club like others. So if Sammy celebrated, it's his right. He has been gone a long time now.
Bit harsh, wouldn't call him garbage. But certainly not a striker you build your team around with aspirations of top 4 or higher.
Can you post more often please? It's nice to see someone talking sense.
It makes sense if you then sign a better player. Building your team around Origi sort of deflates the argument.
How are we building a team around Origi? He's a back up striker whose playing because of injuries.
Who's built a team around Origi?
Only fit out and out striker - so by default.
By default my arse. He only plays when we have injuries so he's hardly having a team built around him is he?
Does Lovren, Lucas or Moreno suit Klopp's style of play any more?
No fukker would have them was probably the case!
That's the whole point then, we sold our better squad players and kept our worse ones. It obvious that Benteke, Allen and Sakho were better than Origi, Lucas and Klavan but somebody (Klopp or the owners) decided to cash in and try to make up with dross. On top of that, despite the overutilisation of the first team players which was going to take their toll in the second half of the season, we did nothing in Jan. We have paid the price by being kicked out of the cups in Jan and now struggling to finish 4th. I don't know why fans should be happy with this when Klopp has had a -16m spend over 2 transfer windows, probably one of the best net spend in the EPL.
What!!!!! We didn't buy anyone in January??!!
Does Lovren, Lucas or Moreno suit Klopp's style of play any more?
No fukker would have them was probably the case!
That's the whole point then, we sold our better squad players and kept our worse ones. It obvious that Benteke, Allen and Sakho were better than Origi, Lucas and Klavan but somebody (Klopp or the owners) decided to cash in and try to make up with dross. On top of that, despite the overutilisation of the first team players which was going to take their toll in the second half of the season, we did nothing in Jan. We have paid the price by being kicked out of the cups in Jan and now struggling to finish 4th. I don't know why fans should be happy with this when Klopp has had a -16m spend over 2 transfer windows, probably one of the best net spend in the EPL.
No problem with getting rid of benteke and co. If you are offered 30m for Benteke you take it, he is ultimately not suited to out style of play. The problem is what you do next. Klopp underestimated the squad this season. If he added a few more players and then spent the Benteke money this summer we probably would not be having this conversation.
Our current best 11 have done well this season, but there has been loss of form for spells from a lot of players. For a lot of our first team there is no incentive to try that bit harder because all they have to do is to look at the bench to see 17,18 years olds on it. They know if they perform badly they will still play. There is no competition for places in a lot of positions.
Just look a Mingolet this season. We bring in a player to replace him and he ups his game, because he has to!
Crystal Palace star Mamadou Sakho explains Christian Benteke handshake and insists it had 'nothing' to do with Liverpool or Jurgen Klopp:
Crystal Palace defender Mamadou Sakho has defended his elaborate handshake with Chrisitan Benteke, which was executed after the striker scored against his former club Liverpool.
Both Benteke and Sakho fell out of favour under Jurgen Klopp last season with the former joining Crystal Palace for in a summer deal worth �30million and the latter leaving on a six-month loan in January.
Benteke ran over to his team-mate after scoring the first of his two goals at Anfield and Sakho made his way to the touchline even though he was not in the official match day squad.
Sakho was not in the match day squad but still made the journey up to his parent club
Some theorised that the elaborate 'rock, paper, scissors' act was a subtle dig at their former manager, but Sakho insists it had nothing to do with their Liverpool connection and was merely a sign of their friendship.
'When Christian scored, I stayed seated as I didn't want to celebrate by respect for the club to which I belong and the fans,' the defender said. 'But when he came over to me, I stood up and did what we always do as friends, our hand check.
Liverpool are in a big fight for a top four finish now......
'There was nothing behind it, nothing else to imply by it. Just two friends who are playing for the same team and who have the same goal, which is to get the three points at each game to make sure the team stays in the Premier League.
'If we were losing 2-0 and Christian reduced the score, we would have also done it if he came to me.'
Sakho was shunned to Liverpool's Under-23 squad for the first half of the current campaign after a series of conduct violations saw Klopp lose his patience.
Benteke and Sakho both failed to find a place in Jurgen Klopp's long-term plans at Liverpool +5
Benteke and Sakho both failed to find a place in Jurgen Klopp's long-term plans at Liverpool
He is not expected to play for Liverpool again, but a series of stellar performances under Sam Allardyce could at least increase his transfer value ahead of a likely permanent departure with reports suggesting they want �30m.
Together with Benteke, who has five goals in his last five Premier League appearances, Sakho has helped to vault Crystal Palace to 12th in the table, seven points clear of the relegation zone.
Should he continue to impress, he could become the second large deal between the two clubs in as many seasons, following Benteke to Selhurst Park on a permanent basis.
Crystal Palace star Mamadou Sakho explains Christian Benteke handshake and insists it had 'nothing' to do with Liverpool or Jurgen Klopp:
Crystal Palace defender Mamadou Sakho has defended his elaborate handshake with Chrisitan Benteke, which was executed after the striker scored against his former club Liverpool.
Both Benteke and Sakho fell out of favour under Jurgen Klopp last season with the former joining Crystal Palace for in a summer deal worth �30million and the latter leaving on a six-month loan in January.
Benteke ran over to his team-mate after scoring the first of his two goals at Anfield and Sakho made his way to the touchline even though he was not in the official match day squad.
Sakho was not in the match day squad but still made the journey up to his parent club
Some theorised that the elaborate 'rock, paper, scissors' act was a subtle dig at their former manager, but Sakho insists it had nothing to do with their Liverpool connection and was merely a sign of their friendship.
'When Christian scored, I stayed seated as I didn't want to celebrate by respect for the club to which I belong and the fans,' the defender said. 'But when he came over to me, I stood up and did what we always do as friends, our hand check.
Liverpool are in a big fight for a top four finish now......
'There was nothing behind it, nothing else to imply by it. Just two friends who are playing for the same team and who have the same goal, which is to get the three points at each game to make sure the team stays in the Premier League.
'If we were losing 2-0 and Christian reduced the score, we would have also done it if he came to me.'
Sakho was shunned to Liverpool's Under-23 squad for the first half of the current campaign after a series of conduct violations saw Klopp lose his patience.
Benteke and Sakho both failed to find a place in Jurgen Klopp's long-term plans at Liverpool +5
Benteke and Sakho both failed to find a place in Jurgen Klopp's long-term plans at Liverpool
He is not expected to play for Liverpool again, but a series of stellar performances under Sam Allardyce could at least increase his transfer value ahead of a likely permanent departure with reports suggesting they want �30m.
Together with Benteke, who has five goals in his last five Premier League appearances, Sakho has helped to vault Crystal Palace to 12th in the table, seven points clear of the relegation zone.
Should he continue to impress, he could become the second large deal between the two clubs in as many seasons, following Benteke to Selhurst Park on a permanent basis.
I don't understand why some people are making so much fuss about this, do you think that either Benteke or Sakho would have any love for Klopp? Why would they? They were very happy to win to make it easier to stay in the EPL, at least they are no hypocrite. I am sure that this celebration was Klopp's least of worries, his worry was us losing at home and not Sakho's celebration.
What!!!!! We didn't buy anyone in January??!!
You probably didn't notice but please note that this is the reason for our shyte 2nd half of the season. Don't know for you, but I am not happy for our overall performance this year, you might be ok with this mediocrity, not me.
Does Lovren, Lucas or Moreno suit Klopp's style of play any more?
No fukker would have them was probably the case!
That's the whole point then, we sold our better squad players and kept our worse ones. It obvious that Benteke, Allen and Sakho were better than Origi, Lucas and Klavan but somebody (Klopp or the owners) decided to cash in and try to make up with dross. On top of that, despite the overutilisation of the first team players which was going to take their toll in the second half of the season, we did nothing in Jan. We have paid the price by being kicked out of the cups in Jan and now struggling to finish 4th. I don't know why fans should be happy with this when Klopp has had a -16m spend over 2 transfer windows, probably one of the best net spend in the EPL.
No problem with getting rid of benteke and co. If you are offered 30m for Benteke you take it, he is ultimately not suited to out style of play. The problem is what you do next. Klopp underestimated the squad this season. If he added a few more players and then spent the Benteke money this summer we probably would not be having this conversation.
Our current best 11 have done well this season, but there has been loss of form for spells from a lot of players. For a lot of our first team there is no incentive to try that bit harder because all they have to do is to look at the bench to see 17,18 years olds on it. They know if they perform badly they will still play. There is no competition for places in a lot of positions.
Just look a Mingolet this season. We bring in a player to replace him and he ups his game, because he has to!
Correct, but not everybody understands that.
What!!!!! We didn't buy anyone in January??!!
You probably didn't notice but please note that this is the reason for our shyte 2nd half of the season. Don't know for you, but I am not happy for our overall performance this year, you might be ok with this mediocrity, not me.
Sorry I just hadn't realised. Perhaps if someone had repeatedly mentioned in in thread after thread I would have
What!!!!! We didn't buy anyone in January??!!
You probably didn't notice but please note that this is the reason for our shyte 2nd half of the season. Don't know for you, but I am not happy for our overall performance this year, you might be ok with this mediocrity, not me.
Sorry I just hadn't realised. Perhaps if someone had repeatedly mentioned in in thread after thread I would have
Indeed, some people will never realise
So what happened in January then?
So what happened in January then?
We were shyte, probably the worst I have seen over a one month period. Didn't you notice? Some people regularly miss the elephant in the room
So what happened in January then?
We were shyte, probably the worst I have seen over a one month period. Didn't you notice? Some people regularly miss the elephant in the room
There's an elephant in my room? Where?
So what happened in January then?
We were shyte, probably the worst I have seen over a one month period. Didn't you notice? Some people regularly miss the elephant in the room
There's an elephant in my room? Where?
If you look down you can just see his trunk
If you look down you can just see his trunk
It's more like a rats tail unfortunately.
So what happened in January then?
We were shyte, probably the worst I have seen over a one month period. Didn't you notice? Some people regularly miss the elephant in the room
Your extremely vocal on the negatives this season, what about the positives or do you ignore them? If so why? Your arguments lack balance.
And before you try and flip this around, yes we had a really poor January and February, but we've also had some excellent results this season which seem to be forgotten about.
So what happened in January then?
We were shyte, probably the worst I have seen over a one month period. Didn't you notice? Some people regularly miss the elephant in the room
Your extremely vocal on the negatives this season, what about the positives or do you ignore them? If so why? Your arguments lack balance.
And before you try and flip this around, yes we had a really poor January and February, but we've also had some excellent results this season which seem to be forgotten about.
I don't know how many times I've said we had a fantastic first half of the season. This is why I am so annoyed as it went down the drain in Jan and Feb and most here knew that such a thin squad would struggle in the second part given the intensity of Klopp's system.
I don't know how many times I've said we had a fantastic first half of the season. This is why I am so annoyed as it went down the drain in Jan and Feb and most here knew that such a thin squad would struggle in the second part given the intensity of Klopp's system.
I don't blame the intensity, I blame injuries to key players at key moments of the season. Chelsea have played pretty much the same side throughout the season and look where that consistency has got them, if we'd been as lucky as them with injuries who knows where we'd be in the league, personally I'd feel we'd be extremely close to Chelsea!
Yes the squad is thin and needs beefing up but I also believe this is a work in progress and don't expect everything to happen overnight, admittedly the squad should have been stronger this season though.
I don't know how many times I've said we had a fantastic first half of the season. This is why I am so annoyed as it went down the drain in Jan and Feb and most here knew that such a thin squad would struggle in the second part given the intensity of Klopp's system.
I don't blame the intensity, I blame injuries to key players at key moments of the season. Chelsea have played pretty much the same side throughout the season and look where that consistency has got them, if we'd been as lucky as them with injuries who knows where we'd be in the league, personally I'd feel we'd be extremely close to Chelsea!
Yes the squad is thin and needs beefing up but I also believe this is a work in progress and don't expect everything to happen overnight, admittedly the squad should have been stronger this season though.
I agree, we are a work in progress.
We are all disappointed to lose against CP, but we are still in a much better position that I expected at this stage of the season, if anyone would have said to us at the start of the season we would have been 3rd with 4 games to go and we win those games to get CL, most of us would have took that.
I agreed with Klopp letting go allot of the fringe players who were not going to be part of his plans, where he went wrong was not buying enough quality replacements, we have been unlucky with injuries, so have Utd, but they can bring on the likes of Martial/Mkhitaryan/Shaw, we need more quality players, Klopp knows this now, hopefully that will be addressed in the summer.
My view is that Sakho is flamboyant and passionate and gets over excited and does some dumb things.
But every team needs a "character" or two to build enthusiasm and spirit, things which were absent during the Palace match.
I think Klopp just doesn't like him as a person, and that's why he has been dumped.
The elephant in the room is we have done very well with an average squad that lacks some key quality players in key positions that fact of how well we have done with the players we have injured or not only emphasises how much better we could of been if a squad that was able to withstand the rigours of the type of.game we employ which means we were short coming into the season and also never rectified it in Jan both errors imo our type of game depends on like for like rotation we can't do that with phil , mane matip Milner hendo, sturidge Clyne lallana imo
Exactly. We needed rotation to see the end of the season the way we competed in the first half. Without it, players got out of form and injured and the bench was too weak to give a comparable performance. When Matip is out our struggling defence is even worse, we all saw what happened when Mane was off to Africa in Jan, at least I would say Can did an ok job replacing Henderson while Origi and Lucas are nowhere near Mane and Lallana. With rotation with similar quality players, they would have been fitter in the 2nd half of the season. Too late now, we can only hope we do better than United and City to get over the line with CL qualification. That said, if CL qualification was not a target for Klopp who is still building the team this season, then fair enough.