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Form is temporary, class is permanent. If you have to play every game with players of the quality of Kuyt, Maxi, Ngog, Lucas, Konseky & Skrtel what do you expect miracles. In most of these games everytime Torres has the ball he is surrounded by 3-4 players with no support- what do you expect him to do? He has missed a few chances recently but that happens to the greatest strikers. We need some quality players at our club- apart from Torres, Gerrard, Reina & raul- the rest are all crap average players.

I am from the north ast and a mad liverpool fan. I went to the game and had to sit in newcastle seats to get a ticket. I loved torres and dont believe for 1 minute he is finished, but he is certainly not trying an inch which is unforgivable, when he missed that sitter i looked up at those fantasic reds fans singing his name then looked at Torres and thought "what a [oops]" 140 grand a week people who cant really afford the money for the games but somehow find it and there he is strolling around the pitch like he couldn't give a [oops]. get rid in january and lets buy some players who want to wear the red shirt.

I watched the game and hear is my summary of the players.

Reina - not a great game for him but he is a great keeper and does appear to love the club - KEEP
Johnson - Good performance - KEEP
Skyrtel- Not good enough -RID
Kyriagos - Tries hard but not good enough - RID
Konchesky - tries hard ok for squad player - KEEP
Maxi- Hopeless - RID
Morieles - Class act - KEEP
Lucas - Useless. - RID
Kuyt- works his [oops] off - KEEP
Torres- Could't give a [oops]. - RID
Ngog- young lad may get better - KEEP

just think its a bit unfair to single out one player like i said were was the abuse after the chelsea game the wba game the wigan game the bolton game these are games were he has had a major influence on the game face it without him with the team we have would be fighting relegation we have a world class striker and it will be awhile before we get another one

yep i would ditch kuyt.

I'd keep Reina and Raul, the only two who seem so care about wearing the shirt...

Reclaim, to go back to your post I absolutely agree with you, the man has been very poor all season. He doesnt even try, at one stages he was just standing around watching the newcastle defenders pass it around, absolutely disgusting from him. Look at how lively tottenhams strikers are, they chase the defenders, they dont allow them to breathe one bit. I can't bellieve im saying this but i would rather Babel playing now then Torres. Its time to move on, if he wants to go back to spain then so be it, sell this man. Its sad because we will never get even 50m for him now as oppossed to 70m last summer. I think he will go for a cut price.. Absolutley rubbish.

To be honest Snakeye I think Hodgson takes the blame for changing the winning team from the Villa game, NGog and Babel deserved to be given the chance to build on Monday's partnership. I think Hodgson has to deal with alot of behind the scenes politics which surround Torres Gerrard and Carragher to the point where he has to get them back into the team regardless of how poor they are or how good there replacements have been which was the case last nite. I think we are going to see the same situation again next week when Gerrard returns at the expense of either Lucas or Meireles being pushed out wide right, again I think Lucas and Meireles deserve a run together as they have both shown promise of a partnership.

Roy had another option yesterday, and that was to play 4-3-3 with Ngog, Babel AND Torres!

I hope Gerrard comes back against Fulham and replaces Kuyt at RM. Push over Maxi to LM.

I happen to think Gerrard's best position is on the right where he won his one and only footballer of the year award, would also give Joe Cole a run on the opposite flank giving us forward gears of Gerrard and Cole wide, Meireles and Lucas in the centre and NGog and Babel up front, good movement all over the last third of the pitch then.

Yes, why not? That one solved then!

Problem remaining is the defence line.

I would go for (from right to left) Johnson, Kelly, Greek and Aurelio.

Defensively Johnno is at times a disaster, but he surely can add something extra to the offensive side of the game. With Steven in front of him he probably will be able to provide some extra width to the game, since Steven tends to turn inside a bit too early, before touching the base line.