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Anxiety #91550 03/12/10 12:22 AM
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given choice of bent or carlton cole it would deffo be bent but i would prefer we got messi lol


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Anxiety #91553 03/12/10 12:29 AM
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seriously ! cant believe we would ever give carlton cole airtime, didnt comment earlier about him but needs must now! he is garbage! they cant wait to ship him out. shocked


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LFC1984RHll #91570 03/12/10 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted By: LFC1984RHll
Bent is a good striker, good finisher, but why hasnt he been signed up by Arsenal, City, Chelsea, Man Ushiteed or play regularly for England?

Because he isn't good enough at higher league football, whilst he gets all the space in the world at the likes of Sunderland and Charlton because teams are willing to attack each other when you put him in a top club where teams park the bus in front of their goal then hel struggle. This is the massive difference between your likes of bent and torres.

Torres is proven, he scores all different types of goals, he can make a goal out of nothing, bent cant. its the same for your wingers at wolves (jarvis) he gets bags of space against teams who are willing to have a go at eachother, with us his game will have to change dramatically to adapt at playing at a top club where space is spare. Obviously its not about how much space a player gets, but the step up from playing football at a lower league club to playing for a top one who play football in the sense of trying to break down teams who park the bus is massive.

That's why we need to keep our best players and add other quality players to become what we all strive for. Quality players who are
proven internationals, who have massive potential. Don't get me wrong Jarvis might do well at a big club, but you've got to ask why hasn't he already been snapped up or even rumours of him going to a top club?



What you are saying about Jarvis and why has'nt he signed for a top Club did'nt the same apply exactly to Adam Jognson while he was at Boro? and look at him now, whats wrong with taking a chance now on him rather than wait and end up paying millions of pounds more if he does indeed reach his potential.

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Originally Posted By: Reclaim The Club
What you are saying about Jarvis and why has'nt he signed for a top Club did'nt the same apply exactly to Adam Jognson while he was at Boro? and look at him now, whats wrong with taking a chance now on him rather than wait and end up paying millions of pounds more if he does indeed reach his potential.

Just like there was nothing wrong with taking a chance on Lucas, Babel, N'Gog, Alonso, Mascherano, Johnson, Jovanovic, Dossena, Aquilani, and Reina right? The people you take chances on don't always turn out to be good; you've not learned this by now? Right now LFC needs people of proven quality, even if that means spending more cash and only having them for 3 or 4 seasons while we flesh out the squad based on the results they provide. We're trundling along well below expectation, but you want us to buy more average players or continue to take chances the way we have been since H&G took over? Which side of the player transfer argument argument are you actually on?

Originally Posted By: cp1972
whilst i agree with you. It is not an either or situation. we need more strikers as well as better providers. Your best point was that the number of 'make do' signings is costing the club dear(Soto,Poulson,Ngog,Jovanovic,Maxi,Aurelio). Too many are in the first team and that is unacceptable, I feel at least 5 players are needed in the positions you mentioned to create enough quality competition. Torres expecially needs someone on his shoulder.


Torres doesn't need anyone on his shoulder for Spain, does he? He certainly needs players around him pulling off defenders and giving him good ball, but I think you'll find that is known as "football tactics" more than "need to play 4-4-2".

You are certainly correct that we have a lot of "filler" throughout the squad, and in time we will need to replace them with better quality. Perhaps this blinds people to what we need, so adamant in their opinions that any single player is the root cause of our problems, be that Lucas, Johnson, Carragher, Skrtel, Torres... The list goes on. But they do the job for the most part, so we should rather concentrate on where our true weaknesses lie - width, left back - before we decide who we can do without. These positions are necessary no matter what formation or brand of football you intend to play, provided you intend to actually go out and win games, not that our manager seems to want to do that. Hoofball to Carlton Cole is much more likely to get us relegated than putting serious effort into signing a quality wing and instilling a winning attitude in the squad; if we need to replace the manager to achieve the latter, then I'd rather see us do it now rather than when it becomes to late to guarantee European competition for next season.

(Aside: Don't get me wrong, I'm not unhappy that Konchesky is our choice left back just because it's him; I'm unhappy that he's all we've got, and he's a squad player at best.)

If we have the investment to fill wing, left back, and second wide player, then we can start talking about another striker, a better DM, more quality at CB etc. But until then the "need another striker now" point of view is wrong.

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no your're wrong. wingers are the icing on a cake..we don't have a cake. wingers we get may be foreign (ie. not work hard enough,adapt etc) they are usually more injured than other players and they are only as good as the core of the team allows them to be. when alonso took over the team we had wingers in yossi and dirk who both scored loads of goals ,when he left we had no wingers. get the core of the team sorted then get the wingers in.
since when has benni and dirk been proper wingers? benni best poition is just behind the striker and kuyt is a striker.

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The title of this thread sucks, Carlton fecking Cole! If we go near him I taking him out to save the club. I'd rather Heskey back!


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Originally Posted By: emp
no your're wrong. wingers are the icing on a cake..we don't have a cake. wingers we get may be foreign (ie. not work hard enough,adapt etc) they are usually more injured than other players and they are only as good as the core of the team allows them to be. when alonso took over the team we had wingers in yossi and dirk who both scored loads of goals ,when he left we had no wingers. get the core of the team sorted then get the wingers in.

Complete bollx again from he who is always right. One of the player you mention is still in the squad. The other is not a winger. And I suppose C. Ronaldo is another of those often injured, foreign players who doesn't (didn't) work hard enough in England, or does your xenophobic bent only apply to those who play for Liverpool? Kenny Dalglish isn't English, you know, nor is Ian Rush.

And we already have the core of a team, though maybe your definition of "core" differs from mine. Reina, Kelly, Agger, Carra, Meireles, Gerrard, Torres, with Shelvey to grow into the captain's armband (some might say). Too soon to buy a winger? Ok, maybe we should get a better DM than Lucas, or a better LB than Konchesky first. Which all explains why we want to buy a striker of course...

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we need to add to this

-------------------riena
------------------(jones)

johnson------carra------agger--------new lb
(kelly)------(soto)-----(skrtel)-----(insua)

-------------raul-------new dm
-------------(shelvey)--(lucas)

right w----------gerrard-----------new left w
(maxi)-----------(pacheco)---------(cole)

------------------torres
-----------------(kuyt)
-----------------(ngog)

names in brackets represent squad players.

outs:- babel, jovanovic, poulsen, kontchesky and aurelio

Last edited by LFC1984RHll; 03/12/10 06:35 PM.
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