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Originally Posted By: thundyr
Roy has done no better with his net spend, and how it's irrelevant anyway because having no investment forces you to shop in the wrong market if you're looking for world beaters.

Obviously I should clarify this before you read it wrong. Net spend is irrelevant for comparing Hodgson with Benitez; they had the same transfer conditions (sell-to-buy), and neither showered himself in glory. Yes, Rafa bought more lemons, but he had two entire seasons without investment; four times as many chances as Roy to be forced to gamble on a cheap player and lose (and you cunningly avoid mentioning someone like Kyrgiakos, the cult hero who Rafa gambled on and won). On the other hand, Roy simply bought several players known to be below LFC standard.

I'm being fair saying transfer activity is a wash between these managers. Transfers are not the only thing that define a manager though, and Roy is way behind in pretty much every other department.

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Originally Posted By: aotea
Surely the point must relate to our current manager and discussions of Rafa deemed rather pointless.


One would have thought so, but according to some the predicament Roy finds himself in is entirely Rafa's fault. According to some Rafa was the worst manager possible for LFC, that he was so reprehensible that HRH Roy, who dominated the Swedish league as recently as two decades ago but has barely won an away game since and who changed a significant percentage of the squad he inherited, has an impossible task. A task so impossible he got us off to the worst start since we were last promoted, and gained us the pride of defeat at home to Northampton amid a season where we have been outplayed by all but Blackburn and West Ham (both home games), the two ultimate powers of the EPL 2010. According to some, everything Roy has done, from ultra-defensive tactics to not playing Pacheco to ridiculing the skill of Glen Johnson in the press, comes down to Rafa.

And you wonder why the comparisons continue?

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Originally Posted By: emp
christ your a tiresome bunch. rafa fooked up ,thats all there is to it.if he didn't he would still be here. and roy hasn't been given long enough or the funds enough to settle into his job properly .yes he hasn't set the world on fire and some of his transfers have been poor .but he is working under limited conditions that previous managers haven't been. its that simple and you all know it.

This is the truly tiresome point. Roy is in exactly the same boat as Rafa was, but we're sinking faster with him at the helm. Roy was brought in to provide stability; if you consider our current position and its relationship with history both recent and ancient to be "stable" then Roy has succeeded in your eyes. But the rest of us watch the side continuing to play hoofball like strangers in the park 4 months after his appointment, and we can't see when this mythical stability is about to kick in. And if it does kick in, will it happen soon enough for Roy to be able to keep us playing in Europe? Without a ticket to Europe we will struggle to keep our top players and will struggle to attract other top players, and that will doom us to playing for 5th at best for the next few seasons. We don't think the squad is that bad that our future should be so bleak (lose only three players but go from 86 points to 60 in two seasons), and if the squad is adequate then it can only be the manager who is fouling things up. Rafa helped, yes, but destiny is in Roy's hands, yet all he's doing is playing for the draw and hoping other results continue to go our way all the way until May. That isn't going to happen, no matter how optimistic you are. We need an injection of life, but Roy seems to be sucking it out instead.

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I thought we'd been working under limited conditions for years or was H&G just a bad dream?


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Originally Posted By: lumbar
I thought we'd been working under limited conditions for years or was H&G just a bad dream?

Exactly.

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Originally Posted By: lumbar
I thought we'd been working under limited conditions for years or was H&G just a bad dream?


a bad wet dream


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Originally Posted By: wakka
Can we agree that they are both sh!t
Totally agree. Guys cum on Rafa is gone, this topic is really bored the sh@t out of me.

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Originally Posted By: emp
what like Morientes for millions and millions of pounds


It would be easy to find players in Rafa's 6 years that didn't make to Roy's ONE transfer window. If both made transfer mistakes to the point that we can debate who has made the worst signings, then the fact that one had 12 windows and the other person 1 should speak for itself.


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Any new manager will want shot of him.


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